By your definition?
Nate
What is a "Professionial Surveyor"
Not I the mood to type too much so here goes:
I am a Professional who surveys land
What is a "Professionial Surveyor"
I think a "Professional Surveyor" should:
Retrace the perimeter every Section of land, he performs work in. He does not HAVE to use it, but he should know where it is.
Should look at every option, and method, of surveying the subject land.
Consider all evidence that is contrary to his survey. And, document why he chose to perform his survey as he did.
Show all encroachments. Whether by monument, or fence, or paint lines. Or houses, or buildings, or wells, basically anything man-made.
Otherwise, he is "Just a Surveyor". A "Professional" knows everything and makes Professional judgement calls.
Nate
What is a "Professionial Surveyor"
> By your definition?
Well, I trust that most of us know what surveying entails, so really your question is "what is a professional?" Apart from the legalistic definitions, I'd say that a professional is someone who provides a service to the public in a way that any reasonable person knowledgeable about the service would want to have it performed.
What is a "Professionial Surveyor"
I have studied this extensively (I know, too much time on my hands I guess). I have found that it's like a chain of title; each new description attempting to define it may clear up some past ambiguity, but at the same time adds new material for contention.
So, I don't know how to define it, but I know it when I see it.
What is a "Professionial Surveyor"
I am finding a good dose of humility helps.
Unrelated to my comment:
"Filing of public records of re-surveys performed by qualified land surveyors is one of the best methods known for perpetuating surveys. The keeping of secret tie-out records of found original monuments only leads to confusion. If the land surveyor allows the public to delegate to him the exclusive privilege of performing land surveys, he ought to accept the responsibility of devising some system that assures the perpetuation of former surveys. Failure to do so will certainly result in a loss of public respect, and, in some states, just such a thing has happened.” -Curtis Brown, 1960
Excerpt From: Michael J. Pallamary, PLS. “The Curt Brown Chronicles.” AuthorHouse, 2011-03-09T05:00:00+00:00. iBooks.
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What is a "Professionial Surveyor"
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What is a "Professionial Surveyor"
Professionial or professional?
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What is a "Professionial Surveyor"
If physicians take the Hippocratic Oath before entering the profession. What is our oath called?
What is a "Professionial Surveyor"
Professionial: (n) An individual who practices a profession in one of the thirteen original colonies.
What is a "Professionial Surveyor"
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What is a "Professionial Surveyor"
> Apart from the legalistic definitions, I'd say that a professional is someone who provides a service to the public in a way that any reasonable person knowledgeable about the service would want to have it performed.
And who performs the service following practices that can be sustained over a life of indefinite term. That is, the professional's actitivities are rendered with the long haul in view. That speaks to fees charged as well as to quality of work.
What is a "Professionial Surveyor"
> I have studied this extensively (I know, too much time on my hands I guess). I have found that it's like a chain of title; each new description attempting to define it may clear up some past ambiguity, but at the same time adds new material for contention.
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> So, I don't know how to define it, but I know it when I see it.
I realize that one can approach the question of professionalism from different angles, but in the case of a licensed profession such as surveying, it seems to me that the historical reasons why surveyors were licensed in the first place give an excellent idea as to what the core role of the professional should be. Essentially, the argument is an economic one: it costs too much to have incompetent surveyors running around making messes that will impose large unnecessary costs upon third parties.
What is a "Professionial Surveyor"
The meaning of 'professional' in this context...
A person
- formally certified by a professional body where the guiding tenet is protection of the public interest,
- admitted to and continuing to belong to a specific profession having completed the minimum education and/or practice requirements,
- whose competence can be measured against an established set of standards,
- who maintains their competence by continuing professional development,
- bound by a code of ethics including a duty of care.
What is a "Professionial Surveyor"
"Essentially, the argument is an economic one: it costs too much to have incompetent surveyors running around making messes that will impose large unnecessary costs upon third parties."
Actually I have found the opposite. At least in the U.S. it has been more economically beneficial to have lands subdivided and described in a big mess, but quickly when the need arises.
What is a "Professionial Surveyor"
To me a professional surveyor is -
One who has some passion for history.
Someone that likes being outdoors,
One who has working experience under another professional and education in surveying. (Self-taught or school matters not)
One who works diligently to recover adequate evidence and or information to proceed with an opinion that can stand up to the scrutiny of other professionals.
One who perpetuates historical evidence for the future.
One who leaves adequate evidence of their work / opinions for the future.
One who follows or exceeds the standards of practice for their profession.
One who performs their work within high ethical and moral standards.
One who will not shortcut their results or product even though they may not get enough compensation for the effort.
One who does not represent the profession in a negative way to the public.
One who has enough intelligence to put all the above to practice.
What is a "Professionial Surveyor"
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What is a "Professionial Surveyor"
> "Essentially, the argument is an economic one: it costs too much to have incompetent surveyors running around making messes that will impose large unnecessary costs upon third parties."
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> Actually I have found the opposite. At least in the U.S. it has been more economically beneficial to have lands subdivided and described in a big mess, but quickly when the need arises.
Well, if the PLSS had been realized by the work upon the ground of more competent and - dare I say it? - professional deputies, there would be most likely far fewer posts to this message board. However, in the real world, isn't the problem how to assess the indirect costs of poor surveys?
I know from experience at the subdivision and parcel scale in Texas that a well surveyed subdivision will be one in which it is relatively easy to locate boundaries even more than a century later. A poorly surveyed subdivision or parcel, on the other hand, is just the gift that keeps on giving to those who profit from land disputes and does so practically forever as disputes spin out like spider silk to draw in the newcomers to the neighborhood.
What is a "Professionial Surveyor"
This is how the APELSCIDLA board (licensing agent in Virginia) defines it.
"Professional" means an architect, professional engineer, land surveyor, landscape
architect or interior designer who is licensed or certified, as appropriate, pursuant to
the provisions of this chapter and is in good standing with the board to practice his
profession in this Commonwealth.
But I like Bear Bait's definition better!:-)
What is a "Professionial Surveyor"
Classically, a professional is either a Physician, Attorney or Clergyman. Surgeons were not originally professionals, they were apprenticed tradesmen but now they are part of the medical profession.
Then the definition broadened to persons with specialized training, education and experience who perform a service for others for a fee, essentially service to clients. Generally Judgment, reasoning and persuasion is required, not just rigidly following rules as a technician would do. This includes engineers, land surveyors, accountants, dentists, veterinarians, pharmacists, etc. Generally there is an implied duty to the client or patient at a minimum and in many cases to third parties as well. Those not performing a service for fee although highly trained and educated, such as a theoretical physicist, is not a professional under this definition. Professions are practiced for the benefit of other individuals. The C.E.O. of GM is not a professional, she is a businessperson. Business and Profession used to be distinguished as two different things. This definition would also seem to exclude the clergy too.
Now everyone is a professional from the solid waste collection engineer to the orange ball through steel hoop operator to everyone rendering the term meaningless.
I think the current U.S. Common definition outside of professional sports is someone who works in an office and is highly paid, wearing a suit and tie helps. Obviously the Doc.s and Lawyers are included too. Outside workers are all viewed as tradesman regardless of the salary involved. Most people think everyone on the construction site is a skilled worker or tradesman, including the surveyor and resident engineer.
