Do I see another orange rebar under the grass to the right of the protruding rebar?
It appears also the the protruding rebar has string tied to it, as if someone could have set the rebar for the purpose of stretching string to mark the boundary line.
@thebionicman I guess ??instrument??, recorded or not, would have been a better choice of word over record, implying it was recorded. Some document that would support the existence of a ??monument??. Random iron pipes with no connection to the cadaster wouldn??t qualify as a monument, unless something different can be shown to give it context.
Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.
@alan-roberts There can be only one monument, but many accessories.?ÿ Don't forget that many "to" calls in boundary descriptions are also "monuments", i.e. "to the center of the creek."?ÿ See Wattles.
I wish.?ÿ It was exhibited at an event and I think belongs to the Surveyors Historical Society. I've seen one another place that was theirs.
@gordon-svedberg No, that's just some paint. I see what you mean though...It almost looks like a Nail with a center point.
@gordon-svedberg Also, that's correct: There is string tied on it for exactly that purpose. The only strange thing is, all the other points on the line set by the surveyor are nails set flush; only this one point is re-bar (with a reveal). It may be that someone removed the nail, replaced it with re-bar for the purposes of running the string line. Don't know without seeing the survey. I'm assuming the surveyor would be specific as to what was set (nail or rebar, with reveal noted properly).
There are numerous ways to support the validity of a monument without a document.?ÿ
@rfc I would dig all around beside the protruding pin, and scan with the locator from all points of the compass to see if maybe there is something more there.
I come here to get schooled. School me. Can you give me an example.
Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.
We were doing quite well the other day if we left less than 10 inches exposed.?ÿ We already had about 600 pounds resting on the four-wheeler attempting to weave between trees without being knocked off.?ÿ In several places we had to cut a gap in order to get through only to discover we were blocked off on all sides again.?ÿ A rock drill and eight extra charged batteries might have been the straw to break the camel's back.
The reliable testimony of owners identifying it as a monument, primarily those famiar with the survey.
Any unique characteristics matching known survey monuments from the relevant time period and or location.
Actions of owners contemporaneous with likely placement.?ÿ
Correlation with any other direct or indirect evidence.?ÿ
Again, we had 100 plus years of nothing but cutting out 40s. No map, probably no contract.?ÿ
More later, Tom?ÿ
@thebionicman Thanks
Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.
The plot thickens. All the other points on the line marked by the surveyor are plated nails, driven flush with flagging tied around them prior to driving, and similarly staked with lath. This one alone is rebar with the 4" reveal. But there are still signs of the flagging in the grass (no nail...I checked).
Without seeing the survey to see how the surveyor recorded what he put there it's conjecture, but I believe the landowner may have removed the nail and replaced it with rebar in the hole left by the nail to run his string line.
@holy-cow sounds like a different situation, 10" exposed in thick brush probably isn't going to pose that much of a hazard, 4" exposure in the grass is not only a trip hazard but could take out mower blades.
Correct, but there is always some liability with set bars, even those at or slightly below ground level.?ÿ Especially if the bottom is setting on something immovable.?ÿ Today's surface may not be the future surface when a stuck vehicle has sunk to where it makes contact with the top of the bar.?ÿ The tire spinning in an attempt to get unstuck results in a ruined tire.?ÿ Similarly, in an unfenced neighborhood, a trampoline jumper flies off and lands with one heel directly on the head of the bar.?ÿ If it can be imagined, it will eventually happen to someone, somewhere.?ÿ Fortunately, the odds are low.
This sounds like the reason you do not leave your traverse exposed, much less mark with lath...some uninformed member of the great unwashed public has marked his line-regardless of how crooked it may be
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@holy-cow these days there are way too many people out there just looking to file a suite to collect cash.?ÿ It's a sorry state of affairs.