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Damn fence guys!?ÿ
Who thinks these pins are in their original position?
Hint: I have the previous surveyors plat and fortunately he had several ties outside the boundary.
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Damn fence guys!?ÿ
Bless their hearts and the irrigation idiots as well. ?????ÿ
I set about 18 pins in an urban area on a small convoluted lot and each one was tough to get in.?ÿ I was back on site a couple days later and the fence crew was so proud of their work.?ÿ They handed me all of the pins with caps and flagging still on them and a big smile.?ÿ They put the new fence exactly on the lines.?ÿ They thought I would be happy with their exacting work.?ÿ It is a bit of a conundrum when you are building a fence with actual width on a line that has no width.?ÿ Unless you fillet the corners, the posts have to be where you conveniently started a pilot hole for them.?ÿ I suppose if they used hollow metal posts, the fence guys could pound posts in over the pins for all of the good that will do anyone.
A new gas line connection to an old house (four inch trench) wiped out a bar that had been in place less than a week.
I wish they would have just thrown the pins away. Now I will have a messy plat explaining why I have to reject the ones they moved.
Who thinks these pins are in their original position?
What do your measurements say?
I like when there's a post in the way, although like you said it would be nice if they threw away the pin.
Point lands inside 3" chain link fence post-- moving on!
@bstrand?ÿ
The corners do fall in the fence posts. Much neater if they had not put them back and concreted them in. I??d be tempted to toss them myself to avoid the future confusion. One of them (without the cap is an offset pin from the sidewalk). I??ll just drill in that corner and show the offset pin off line. Two of the pins are less than a year old, but one I didn??t show goes way back.
They didn??t try to put it back.
What frosts my berries is when some survey tech shoots those "pulled and reset somewhere close-by" bars as being my original locations, thus indicating the sloppiest surveyor in the area is ME.?ÿ Then they construct a description for an adjoining parcel creating a three-foot by one-foot wedge about 300 feet long that is either an overlap or gore or both.?ÿ Guess you can't fix stupid.
Oh I got you beat.?ÿ ?ÿGuy puts in the fence pipe posts and fills with cement and puts the survey marker on top!?ÿ He was so proud!
What you are fussing about is a philosophy. Many farmers, of long ago tried to place the fence "on the line". The fence "became the line".
I have written narratives for these.?ÿ
"Pins were set, survey was completed, and then fence was built, on the lines, and corners, to the best of the fence builders ability". Actual deed lines are typically within a foot of the fence, but varies, as the fence constructors went around trees, had diffeculties with rocks, and appear to have pulled out my pins, to set their fence corner posts.?ÿ
Our job in these cases is to document our findings. Landowners have done it too. (Attempted to put fences "right on the line").
It's a surveyors hazard.
Nate
What you are fussing about is a philosophy. Many farmers, of long ago tried to place the fence "on the line". The fence "became the line".
I have written narratives for these.?ÿ
"Pins were set, survey was completed, and then fence was built, on the lines, and corners, to the best of the fence builders ability". Actual deed lines are typically within a foot of the fence, but varies, as the fence constructors went around trees, had diffeculties with rocks, and appear to have pulled out my pins, to set their fence corner posts.?ÿ
Our job in these cases is to document our findings. Landowners have done it too. (Attempted to put fences "right on the line").
It's a surveyors hazard.
Nate
excellent summary Nate.
BTW: a couple times, on my properties, I have seen (watched the workers) set posts without disturbing the pins even a little bit.
*they did Not know I was the owner, or that I am a Surveyor... they probably assumed I was a curious passerby
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to Assume that the pin has moved might be a good theory, but Our Job is to Prove that theory and explain why...
Oh I got you beat.?ÿ ?ÿGuy puts in the fence pipe posts and fills with cement and puts the survey marker on top!?ÿ He was so proud!
My first home, nearly 40 years ago, the neighbor to the rear of my lot pulled up the pins and set LARGE wooden posts where they pulled the pins.?ÿ One was not even his corner because the lots were offset.?ÿ All my control was still in so it was no problem to drive a 60d nail in the top of the posts with about an inch sticking out.?ÿ He was a nice guy, just ignorant, and when I explained what happened he thanked me for resetting the corners.?ÿ At the time we were not required to cap or tag pins so I just tied some nice bright pink flagging to the nails.
Andy
