Two subdivisions done by the same surveyor, one an addition on the other, done according to the title block, four months apart but recorded three years apart. Two completely different boundaries with him showing record and found between his own work, differing by multiple feet and several minutes in bearings. It feels like I'm in the twilight zone. I guess this is where the saying 'horse shoes and hand grenades' comes in.
Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.
One could hope his crew was just bad at measuring but the monuments are there.
That is completely and udderly insane. Unforgiveable practice. No no no no no no no!
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Just having a little cow pun.
@holy-cow Who knew cow pie bingo and surveying would have so much in common.
Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.
Similar:
1947 Subdivision. Map works very well mathematically.
Civil Engineer does 2 corner records on adjoining lots (they are curvey and complicated, I give him that). 1990 & 1993. Handwriting looks the same.
Major discrepencies between the 2 corner records, distances mainly. But they don't work internally either. R & T is R&M but delta angles are different from record, how can that be? Something has to give.
The lot surveyed in 1993 has a section corner in it (not directly related to the subdivision) so I was hoping to use the rebars set on the CR as reference monuments. Can still do that if they are out there.
Not really a problem for us, just mildly entertaining. Maybe he had different party chiefs doing different things and he just signed it.
If it gets me in the ball park to find corners after all the snow is gone, good-e-nuff I guess. Just enough to cause my OCD to kick in and give me a mild facial tick.
Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.
What is your connection to this dual subdivision? Are you further cutting out pieces from the filed maps? Doing layout work? Have you brought this to the attention of those who filed the two plans?
I have been in this situation more than a few times and always contact my client to wave the red flags, as I'm sure you have. It almost always has turned out that the original company filing the two plans refuse to reconcile the problems they have created and find that situation totally in violation of professional ethics.
I will give my client two options, the first is that I recreate the wheel from ground zero or, option two, I walk away. I refuse to eat the cost of fixing unprofessional work.
@chris-bouffard I hear you loud and clear. My work on this project is part of a development plan to bring fiber optics into about half a dozen subdivisions in this area. I'm very familiar with the surveyor that did the work and he lives only a couple miles from me and though he is no longer practicing (he's in in his 90s), his work isn't always the best but far from the worst. There a couple practicing today who commit far greater sins IMHO, so it becomes a question of kicking an old man's sleeping dogs or shake my head and move on and do my job and figure it out. If I find anything that deviates substantially from record I will record a ROS to put future surveyors on notice. But to ask a surveyor in his twilight years to rectify somewhat conflicting work of two decades ago? I have to be more selective than that in picking my battles. What am I going to do... Ask the board to rescind his license in retirement status? No thanks.
Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.
@williwaw I wouldn't go to the Board about anything, if he's in his 90's and retired, it's best to not kick a dead dog. The problem comes into play where you are forced to resolve his outstanding issues and assume the liability.
There is no way that I would assume the obligation and liability of fixing the problems without being compensated for taking on the time and responsibility of making things work without 99% confidence that the resolution won't wake up the sleeping dog and allow it to bite my posterior end! Like Kenny Rodgers sang, " You gotta know when to hold up, know when to fold up, know when to when to walk away and know when to run"!
Can a 90 y.o. retired surveyor be excommunicated? Any substantive authority the board had probably ended with his retirement.
@chris-bouffard In this case I tend to agree with not taking it to the Board. If he was practicing and causing continuing harm I may get a speeding ticket or two on my way there.
At the conclusion of one case I received actual thank you notes from several local surveyors. Had those same folks followed through with their ethical and legal responsibilities he would have been forced into retirement before I got my first license.