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 SWAG
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We are in the midst of a lively discussion as to whether or not the legal/notes should be in all capps. All capps makes it so much easier to proof without having to look for words that need capps or words with capps that need to be lower case. One guy here says that the title companies will raise hell with all capps. However I have never had a complaint and feel like if they want it changed after Im done with it they can pay for the change..What are yalls thoughts/procedures

 
Posted : September 13, 2013 6:54 am
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Obviously I'll work with whatever I'm given, but if I had my pick I'd say no to all caps. It just isn't as easy to read.

 
Posted : September 13, 2013 7:04 am
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I NEVER DO ALL CAPS IN A DESCRIPTON except for "THENCE" and the proper names of subdivisions and surveys.

IMHO, for you to say that they can pay extra because of what you prefer, which to me is incorrect, is low life horse hockey.

makes me think of a show where a pizza delivery guy was charging folks extra for delivery w/out the knowledge of the store owner. glad to see he got fired.

 
Posted : September 13, 2013 7:09 am
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That's my standard, all caps. Nobody has ever complained or suggested otherwise to me.

And if I recall correctly, isn't that a Collin County plat standard? They dictate minimum height and font for legibility. I think that's where I picked it up and just went with it. If someone asks for standard case, then no problem, but nobody ever has.

 
Posted : September 13, 2013 7:10 am
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> We are in the midst of a lively discussion as to whether or not the legal/notes should be in all capps. All capps makes it so much easier to proof without having to look for words that need capps or words with capps that need to be lower case. One guy here says that the title companies will raise hell with all capps. However I have never had a complaint and feel like if they want it changed after Im done with it they can pay for the change..What are yalls thoughts/procedures

Maybe this is Texas specific, no idea on that. Your local title company preferences are Their Problem, not yours... (pound salt?)

My personal preference is to use Caps and lower case for ALL descriptions, reports and maps. It makes it so much easier to read. Yes, the Cardinal directions are Proper Names and need to be Capitalized.

Back in the day computers were only able to produce Caps, and much mapping software had that limitation also, but that was long ago... Stone Age. Many got accustomed to that and probably stay with it because it is familiar, nothing else. Some Very Old type written records are in Caps only, but not all.

When I get something lengthy to read I often use OCR to make a digital file and then use the change case option to make it more readable.

 
Posted : September 13, 2013 7:13 am
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I do as Frank Shelton does. I'd never do all caps. There's a reason lower case characters exist.

 
Posted : September 13, 2013 7:17 am
 SWAG
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If the client requests it one way thats one thing. A title company which is not the client is another animal and can pay for what they "prefer".

 
Posted : September 13, 2013 7:42 am
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> We are in the midst of a lively discussion as to whether or not the legal/notes should be in all capps. All capps makes it so much easier to proof without having to look for words that need capps or words with capps that need to be lower case. One guy here says that the title companies will raise hell with all capps. However I have never had a complaint and feel like if they want it changed after Im done with it they can pay for the change..What are yalls thoughts/procedures

I HATE having descriptions in all caps. Maybe it's because I'm a Gen X but I hate the yelling in it. That and you wouldn't write a paper to a professor or other colleague in all caps.

Certain things need to be in all caps, like the survey name, abstract number and county. Past that, using proper English to capitalize proper nouns is about all that gets capitalized.

However, one must bend with the wind as Muddy tells me, and I have a guy working for me who likes all caps. I say it sucks, but ultimately, as long as the meat and taters are there, it's a personal preference vs. a have to.

 
Posted : September 13, 2013 7:46 am
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> When I get something lengthy to read I often use OCR to make a digital file and then use the change case option to make it more readable.

Yeah, that's one of the tests of a crappy metes and bounds description: having to basically rewrite the description in order to actually read it easily.

 
Posted : September 13, 2013 8:02 am
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I think I will switch to mixed case and comic sans font. That should look good.

http://comicsanscriminal.com/

 
Posted : September 13, 2013 8:51 am
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good link Andy. definitely a pet peeve. fonts are more important than they are given credit for.

 
Posted : September 13, 2013 9:22 am
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All caps are crap. Hard to read. I use upper and lower even on text on plats except important survey names, etc.

 
Posted : September 13, 2013 10:57 am
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I have used Frugal Sans all caps since June 1983.

😉

 
Posted : September 13, 2013 11:51 am
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Your not writing a novel. I love all caps! You are showing your legal has authority.

I think It's a regional thing...

 
Posted : September 13, 2013 12:13 pm
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> Your not writing a novel. I love all caps! You are showing your legal has authority.
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> I think It's a regional thing...

Wow I never thought of it like that before, I guess I am secure in my how much legal authority my survey has. I used Upper Case Letters for the letters that need to be Upper Cased and lower for the rest, do Lawyers, and Judges use all caps?

 
Posted : September 13, 2013 12:35 pm
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Al Capp: just not funny any more

Actually, Al Capp's dead and gone, regardless of some internet rumors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Capp

 
Posted : September 13, 2013 4:51 pm
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I use all caps for the preamble and the words:'THENCE', 'BEGINNING', 'POINT OF BEGINNING', 'COMMENCEMENT', 'POINT OF COMMENCEMENT', and 'SAVE AND EXCEPT'. The body of the description, as well as the qualifying and augmenting clauses, are all sentence cased.

The preamble also gets indented from the rest of the description.

Regards,
Miguel A. Escobar, LSLS, RPLS

 
Posted : September 14, 2013 6:16 am
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Commas. Some of the best legal descriptions I've had the pleasure to follow, have made a generous use of commas.

You can't introduce enough commas, IMHO.

 
Posted : September 14, 2013 7:40 am
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FWIW, around here, the traditional all-caps street signs are being replaced with upper and lower case signs. Apparently, studies show increased legibility with mixed cases, especially for older folks.
I can agree with that,lol.

 
Posted : September 14, 2013 10:09 am
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Depends ON MY mood :-/

 
Posted : September 16, 2013 6:47 pm