arctan(x), post: 389823, member: 6795 wrote: Back around 2000, my cousin (Fire Chief in my hometown) was working for my dad doing a prelim survey for a pipeline and was travelling across the pasture in a '90 something model Z71 Silverado. He ended up stuck in the mud and was really heavy on the pedal trying to get it unstuck. I forget the total number of acres burned but we always get a kick out of the Fire Chief accidentally starting a fire. They did manage to save some of the equipment but the truck was a total loss, of course.
Firefighters are some of the worst pyromaniacs, they are drawn to the occupation
I nearly and have had the same experiences noted by posters above with Suburbans. Very scary. Once had to remove smoldering grass as described. Didn't care much about setting a grass fire much more concerned about putting the ride/equipment ablaze....and the call to
the office.
Robert Hill, post: 389872, member: 378 wrote: Firefighters are some of the worst pyromaniacs, they are drawn to the occupation
That is well known in the Fire Service which is also a huge family business too.
Robert Hill, post: 389872, member: 378 wrote: Firefighters are some of the worst pyromaniacs, they are drawn to the occupation
NOW WAIT A MINUTE! I rí¦eí¦sí¦eí¦mí¦bí¦lí¦eí¦ resent that remark. 🙂
The surveyor was on said ranch staking out an oil well. Exactly whose oil well was it? If it was the ranch owners then the ranch owner had to anticipate the hazard of equipment that could potentially cause fire on his ranchlands. If it was somebody elses oil well then there are much deeper pockets to go picking in.
Paul in PA
I spend much of my time in Hemphill county, and in the county due west of there. I am unable to find the picture, but most ranchers in those area now have signs posted that say "$1000 fine per vehicle track off established road" and they mean it. The damages the rancher asked for is the cost of feeding their livestock for several years while the lands recover. It has rained a bunch this year, and lands are looking nice, but I have a video on you tube where I am in Roberts county but it looks like I am near Big Bend, the prairie had turned to desert. I am aware of at least two ranchers that have a deal with a local helicopter pilot to "keep an eye out" for vehicles and tracks when he is flying over their places. It is one of the reasons I use a horse in that country. I have pictures from 2011 where the entire riverbed of the Canadian river is dry, and the blow sand has covered the entire cut bank of the river. We used to use toyota landcruiser station wagons as survey trucks until they burned several acres and haybales to the ground, then we swapped to atvs. Or my horse.
Paul in PA, post: 389911, member: 236 wrote: ....Exactly whose oil well was it? If it was the ranch owners....
Unlikely. The surface rights and the mineral rights are usually in different hands in the oil patch..
Mark Mayer, post: 389965, member: 424 wrote: Unlikely. The surface rights and the mineral rights are usually in different hands in the oil patch..
Depends on where you are working.
Monte, post: 389964, member: 11913 wrote: I spend much of my time in Hemphill county, and in the county due west of there. I am unable to find the picture, but most ranchers in those area now have signs posted that say "$1000 fine per vehicle track off established road" and they mean it. The damages the rancher asked for is the cost of feeding their livestock for several years while the lands recover. It has rained a bunch this year, and lands are looking nice, but I have a video on you tube where I am in Roberts county but it looks like I am near Big Bend, the prairie had turned to desert. I am aware of at least two ranchers that have a deal with a local helicopter pilot to "keep an eye out" for vehicles and tracks when he is flying over their places. It is one of the reasons I use a horse in that country. I have pictures from 2011 where the entire riverbed of the Canadian river is dry, and the blow sand has covered the entire cut bank of the river. We used to use toyota landcruiser station wagons as survey trucks until they burned several acres and haybales to the ground, then we swapped to atvs. Or my horse.
Just how does a private landowner obtain the right to fine somebody who is on their property?
Maybe I need to add some provisions on my trespassing signs so I can do some collection from the dude that keeps sneaking across the line to shoot animals that are getting a drink at my water trough?
Paul in PA, post: 389911, member: 236 wrote: The surveyor was on said ranch staking out an oil well. Exactly whose oil well was it? If it was the ranch owners then the ranch owner had to anticipate the hazard of equipment that could potentially cause fire on his ranchlands. If it was somebody elses oil well then there are much deeper pockets to go picking in.
Paul in PA
What if the land owner only owns half of the minerals, then could he only half expect his place to burn down?
BrandonA, post: 390069, member: 11837 wrote: What if the land owner only owns half of the minerals, then could he only half expect his place to burn down?
Staking out the well was for the benefit of whomever owns the oil. That person has the bigger pockets and may well be responsible for anything the surveyor did as his agent.
Paul in PA
We had one of our trucks burn up and start a small fire near Laughlin, NV sometime last year. The truck and some of the field crew's personal items were the only things lost. While the cab was burning up, the guys got the expensive stuff out of the truck (instrument, GPS, etc.), then sat back and waited. Fire engine rolled up about 3 minutes later and the bed was undamaged, so the rest of the equipment was saved. We told them, they should have let the gun burn so they could have replaced that gun with a new one. The one they had (and still have) is about 6 years old and insurance would have covered it.
Nate The Surveyor, post: 271075, member: 291 wrote: I have been thinking about ways to make it safer... an extra layer of metal around it, with a large heat sink to boot.
How about; refrain from driving in tall grass/weeds...:smarty:
Ryan Versteeg, post: 390075, member: 41 wrote: We had one of our trucks burn up and start a small fire near Laughlin, NV sometime last year. The truck and some of the field crew's personal items were the only things lost. While the cab was burning up, the guys got the expensive stuff out of the truck (instrument, GPS, etc.), then sat back and waited. Fire engine rolled up about 3 minutes later and the bed was undamaged, so the rest of the equipment was saved. We told them, they should have let the gun burn so they could have replaced that gun with a new one. The one they had (and still have) is about 6 years old and insurance would have covered it.
Maybe they wanted a new truck instead of a new instrument.
I heard of a company once that when one of their trucks was getting pretty beat up, that they would roll it down a mountain. Yeee Hawww
imaudigger, post: 390068, member: 7286 wrote: Just how does a private landowner obtain the right to fine somebody who is on their property?
The private landowner there has the right to say where the oilfield traffic goes, and to demand damages if they get off their lease. And if you ever want to see an expensive cow, wait til an oilfield truck hits one of those prized hereford bulls. The rancher can make things difficult for the oilfield by making them close gates, use long routes to get to tank batteries, make demanding requests of road maintenance, it all depends on whats in the lease documents. I don't know CA laws, but I know in TX, a person sneaking onto my place to shoot animals drinking from my water sources are trespassing, poaching, illegally discharging a weapon, and depending on the animal maybe hunting out of season. Does CA have the purple post law? Is the water trough near your house? If someone is shooting near my house, I shoot back.
Monte, post: 390094, member: 11913 wrote: The private landowner there has the right to say where the oilfield traffic goes, and to demand damages if they get off their lease. And if you ever want to see an expensive cow, wait til an oilfield truck hits one of those prized hereford bulls. The rancher can make things difficult for the oilfield by making them close gates, use long routes to get to tank batteries, make demanding requests of road maintenance, it all depends on whats in the lease documents. I don't know CA laws, but I know in TX, a person sneaking onto my place to shoot animals drinking from my water sources are trespassing, poaching, illegally discharging a weapon, and depending on the animal maybe hunting out of season. Does CA have the purple post law? Is the water trough near your house? If someone is shooting near my house, I shoot back.
I can see it if you have a contract between the land owner and the guy driving around.
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Ya it's trespass, but somehow they manage to sneak up when I'm not around.
If called, the sheriff would council the trespasser on their actions and advise them not to return. The jails are full and they do not want to pursue the small stuff. Heck - recently a guy was arrested then released (same day) in our town for exposing himself to two boys. No, I think we are on our own.
imaudigger, post: 390207, member: 7286 wrote: recently a guy was arrested then released (same day) in our town for exposing himself to two boys. No, I think we are on our own.
Oh wow... we have people "disappear" around here if they do something like that and the police don't lock them up. Hmm, wonder if you could put in trip wires that set off those bang devices??
I thought those "disappearances" only happened around old mine shafts. That's how it works in my corner of the state.
Thanks Eric, if you get a video you can post an update here in this thread or update it on your website- I look forward to seeing it.
