Could be interesting to talk about surveying work in States that you are not licensed in.
For me the DOT in Florida wanted to do a pilot project with some high tech surveying so we partnered with a Florida firm and did the survey. Same thing in North Carolina and Virginia.
Worked quite a bit on the DC Metro System (WAMATA). Completed a large mapping with other surveying project in PA where we contracted with a small surveying company to sign for everything. Same in DE and NY.
Had one client who kept wanting me to do their work in ND. Got licensed there. Have never ever even set foot in that state! Just called the clientÛªs surveyor up there, sent them copies of what worked well here and asked them to do better so that I did not have to go up there! Did some RR work in TX and some Oil and Gas work in UT and NM where someone else in our company was licensed. Did lots of surveying work for Forestry company in WA, ID, OR, MT when first starting out. Had one MT LS that was really mad when our company contracted with him to do a section breakdown and plat for the County and after one morning of work, I sent the crew home and told them the office would pay them for one dayÛªs work. My boss made it stick but he called me several times to complain that some 26 yr old twit had thought he knew more that his party chief. Oh yes, I almost forgot the Fiber Optic work in OH, IN, and IL.
If you aren't licensed in the state, you're a party chief and can do anything under supervision of someone licensed there. Isn't it that simple? So no big deal what you've worked on there.
The rules vary widely. Some States establish responsible charge by standard of care. Others I work in define it by rule. Every one of them require a license to offer services. If the relationship isn't in place prior to advertising or responding to an rfp you're in trouble. A few require the licensee to be a full time employee. We also see wide varitaion in what constitutes Professional Surveying and who is exempt. Minor or technical violations are met with a cease and desist. Blatant stuff goes to the Prosecutor.
Luke CO PLS, post: 424735, member: 1220 wrote: Could be interesting to talk about surveying work in States that you are not licensed in...
I'm out on this one. Quite simply there are places I won't work that are WITHIN the state in which I'm licensed....I feel no need whatsoever to travel outside the boundary. 😉
I have zero ambition to get licensed in another State or even work in one.
Okay I might be persuaded to start Super Duper Quick Precision Surveying Inc in Texas just to tweak Kent but that's it.
Had a neighbor call me a couple of months ago who wanted me to do a survey for him in a state where I am not licensed. Said he would drive me there, let me find the magic coordinates at the four corners, take me out to the best steak house around and then have me back home by supper time. It was so wonderfully convenient to tell him I absolutely was not interested in such an adventure as it could easily lead to the revocation of my license and cost me more dollars than he his worth.
Dave Karoly, post: 424852, member: 94 wrote: I have zero ambition to get licensed in another State or even work in one.
Okay I might be persuaded to start Super Duper Quick Precision Surveying Inc in Texas just to tweak Kent but that's it.
Isn't that supposed to be "AAA Super Duper Quick Precision Surveying " ? (Phonebook thing, you know....)
Better go with AAAAAA ..................................just in case.
I had a project for the Oklahoma DOT that terminated at the state line. One of my control points and an extra 50 feet or so of topo was into Missouri. So I guess that qualifies.
I began my career in British Columbia where I was not and never have been licensed. I also did one aerial mapping project in California shortly before I was licensed anywhere. Those were as party chief (or lesser) under supervision of others, of course.
I've done photo control work for the Fed's in states I was not licensed in. I have also teamed with licensed individuals to do mapping in a couple of states that I'm not licensed.
Doing USCOE work was requested to add a few HWM data in Orange Tx after Hurricane Rita. No big deal.
It was for storm models.
Known a few Surveyors in the past during the cell tower explosions that would travel everywhere to survey sites. Didn't know what they did and didn't want to know.
Also known a few Surveyors who set geodetic and photo control for out of state mapping projects.
All of these surveyors were going solo on this work mentioned above.
I've worked for two companies that had multi state offices with PLS' on staff that were also multi state licensed.
I never had the desire to venture out of my home state where I am licensed. I had clients in the energy field, pipe lines, etc. that would often ask me to do work out of state for them. My response was to always verify that we had an office with a PLS licensed in the requested work location and check to see if their crews could cover the project. When I got the yes answer I would send the pertinent info and contact info to my counterpart and let them prepare the proposal, supervise the work done by in house crews and live happily ever after without giving up control over the work by subbing it out. Ultimately, for profit and loss accounting my branch office became my client (always hated that concept) but all work was kept in house and under company control for QA & QC purposes.
In one of those companies a PLS I worked with prepared a proposal to do work in another state where there was a branch office that had a PLS in the state where the work was to be done. Although he was not licensed to practice I that state and was not going to supervise the work he prepared the proposal and signed it. When the contract was secured a competitor lodged complaints with the State Board. It took a year to clean up with no consequences but is any out of state job worth going through that?
I ran seismograph lines in Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, and Virginia. As far as I know, it didn't require a license in any of those states.
I went to Indiana three times aligning crane rails. Not sure about that one either.
All were so long ago, I doubt that anyone cares now.
James
These days multi State Licensure is almost impossible to avoid. When i prepare for the exam I make a book of laws, rules and State specific information. Some of them its two 4 inch binders and a casebook. Those books get maintained and read constantly. That habit keeps me out of trouble and has opened my eyes to a lot of things.
I respect the laws and rules in the States where I hold Licenses AND those I don't. We talk about the reasons we arent respected and why we cant charge realistic rates as though it's a mystery. It all gets pushed onto the guy in his garage charging peanuts, when in reality it's the assembly lines who eliminate responsible charge and compliance with the law to save money that bear most of the blame.
We can extend our territories and still treat people right. We cant do it by providing 'professional services' without obtaining the credentials and doing the homework.
I could probably go to Nebraska or Colorado and do fine. But, I'm a hop, skip and a jump from Missouri and Oklahoma. Missouri, for the most part, predates our early surveys by 30 to 40 years, so practices changed a great deal. Much of Oklahoma was 30 to 40 years later than our early surveys , so practices changed a great deal again. Plus in Missouri you can hit the old French and Spanish land grants. Then in Oklahoma you must deal with all sorts of reservation and treaty lines. We have a few of those but not like Oklahoma.
Holy Cow, post: 424920, member: 50 wrote: I could probably go to Nebraska or Colorado and do fine. But, I'm a hop, skip and a jump from Missouri and Oklahoma. Missouri, for the most part, predates our early surveys by 30 to 40 years, so practices changed a great deal. Much of Oklahoma was 30 to 40 years later than our early surveys , so practices changed a great deal again. Plus in Missouri you can hit the old French and Spanish land grants. Then in Oklahoma you must deal with all sorts of reservation and treaty lines. We have a few of those but not like Oklahoma.
Your closest Okie native neighbors are probably Ottowah, Miami, Quapah, Osage, Kaw and maybe one or two more thrown in there. I'm shooting from the hip here. Did a lot of RW work for ODOT up in those "woods" and title can be a nightmare. Down here in central OK most of the native boundaries were in place from about 1835 and up, prior to the rectangular survey. Those are obvious because the original survey closed on those tribal boundaries.
Up your way there are lot of boundaries that were described by river and STR, some very obscure. It can be a headache getting a multi-section boundary retracement performed (and eventually approved...maybe) for the BIA/ BLM for some silly little 125' x 20' piece of additional R/W. But it is as prescribed by law.
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Will be dealing with the west line of this soon. http://www.legendsofkansas.com/cherokeeneutralland.html
Originally set up to be a barrier between settlers in Missouri and the Osage Tribe in 1825, it was turned over to the Cherokee Tribe around 1835. Kansas Territory didn't exist until the 1850's. Statehood began on January 29, 1861. Note that it is called out to be 25 miles east and west by 50 miles north and south. The west line, therefore, was to be 25 miles from the western State line of Missouri. Sort of makes one want to whip out the ol' GPS magic stick to shoot a couple points recognized as being on the Missouri border and then set monuments along a line precisely 132,000.0000 feet parallel with the border.
The New York Indian land to the north was surveyed in the 1850's. The survey of the Osage land to the west began in 1865. The survey of the Neutral Lands came last. In the area where I will be working, the line falls approximately one-quarter mile west of the east section line. Too close to being a typical north-south split of the southeast and northeast quarters of the section, thus producing the assumption that the line is a quarter-quarter section line in the minds of property owners.
Holy Cow, post: 424920, member: 50 wrote: I could probably go to Nebraska or Colorado and do fine.
Strictly on the hush, hush. It is a bit of a commute across southern Kansas to survey in Colorado, not to mention that most of eastern Colorado is higher than Mt. Sunflower. 🙂
Eastern Nebraska might be a better choice.
Not to mention most of the eastern 150 miles of Colorado has a population of about one-quarter person per square mile.
As for Nebraska, that, too, would involve heading a bit to the west. If I were to head towards the North Pole from here I would hit Missouri, then Iowa.
Years ago I was chatting with the County Engineer of a nearby county and standing fairly close to latitude 37 degrees 30 minutes north. He was giving me directions to somewhere west of town and mentioned there wasn't much of anything between where we were and where I was to go. I assured him that if we were travel west on our latitude all the way to the Pacific Ocean there wasn't much of anything between where we were and where we would hit the ocean. And, that's the truth. PPPFFFFFFFTTTTT!!!!!!
