Last week we found what was left of a USC&GS BM...with fresh concrete chips scattered about. Apparently from someone gently removing the brass tablet with a hammer.
Couldn't tell you who did it...but twenty feet away..
A Control Point from some outfit "SKW". Never heard of them. Probably slamming hubs for the adjacent plant:
I hope something doesn't happen to their truck or their equipment if they get too far away from it. That would be a bad deal.
Brass is the new copper.
🙁
So, SKW decided he needed something to mark his control point with and was lucky enough to find the USC&GS kindly left him a marker only 20 feet away?
Seriously?
Get a rope.
I hope you aren't serious about retaliating against a surveyor who happens to have a control point nearby. Don't you think some vandal would be more likely to destroy something like this than a working surveyor who knows the value of having a stable benchmark in the area?
Wouldn't lift a finger. The Bible tells us that vengeance belongs only to the Lord. But it doesn't tell us that we can't stand on the sidewalk and cheer when it happens.
Me and Earl believe in that karma stuff...
> I hope you aren't serious about retaliating against a surveyor who happens to have a control point nearby. Don't you think some vandal would be more likely to destroy something like this than a working surveyor who knows the value of having a stable benchmark in the area?
>> Wouldn't lift a finger. The Bible tells us that vengeance belongs only to the Lord. But it doesn't tell us that we can't stand on the sidewalk and cheer when it happens.
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>> Me and Earl believe in that karma stuff...
MY take on the situation is like this... Either Paden was saying that he thought some newbie or underling survey crew or member had hammered out the disk for a souvenir while he was in the immediate area setting project control for the thing being built.
Unless I'm missing something, there is nothing that was a part of the disturbed monument that looks like that it was used in the installation of the new project control aluminum cap and rebar.
Am I anywhere close to being correct?
Correct, Carl. I don't know who took the brass. I do know that to get up that closed section line to where both the monument and CP are, you have to want to get up there...or feed the livestock. My suspicions are that a member of a survey crew took it for a 'goody'. I can't see anybody else being up there.
"Time wounds all heels."
IF your are right, thats just obscene!!!
Okay.
The picture of the SKW control point was leading me to believe that the cap of the cp was the one removed from the concrete benchmark. Kinda looked like a big cap just to use for a cp to me.
Still seems kind of fishy though.
SKW out of oklahoma, texas, kansas and missouri according to "bing"
Seems Like Paden May Be Jumping to Conclusions Here.
A just as likely scenario is that the surveyors recovered the monument in the course of their work, and exposed it.
Then, perhaps someone (i.e., NOT a surveyor) came along later and did the damage.
It's pretty hard to believe that a survey party would destroy an existing monument like that.......
> IF your are right, thats just obscene!!
I'm with you Joe. Some young'un newbie survey pup was probably sent out there to the sticks with a GPS unit and a truck full of equipment (hammers and chisels and such) and a bunch of time to kill and since HE didn't live around there, he or his company probably would need to use the monument he destroyed. I hate to say it... but I've heard of it happening before. People that I knew also. Made me surly and sick.
I hope they get their just reward...
Seems Like Paden May Be Jumping to Conclusions Here.
> A just as likely scenario is that the surveyors recovered the monument in the course of their work, and exposed it.
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> Then, perhaps someone (i.e., NOT a surveyor) came along later and did the damage.
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> It's pretty hard to believe that a survey party would destroy an existing monument like that.......
I've thought about that too. I'll put it at 50/50 as to being a co-incidence that it is recently disturbed and that a new project is nearby. That's why I placed the probably blame on a newbie crew member that probably hasn't been taught the importance of such things.
What was the PID or approx coordinates?
There was a USC&GS bench mark disk for sale on ebay recently. Maybe it is the one missing?
maybe the adjacent landowner saw the new "corner" and decided it gave him more land than the old "corner".
I know, I know. I'm just saying.
My first suspicion would be a geocacher.
Why don't you call them or look for the crew on the job site and ask them if they know anything about it.
It seems to me, that if I was working on a site for an extended period of time and I went to find a benchmark that I could rely on and it was missing. I would probably set one nearby and bring an elevation in from another reliable source. That way I'd have something in the general area that I could check into when needed.
Just a guess, but it beats hating another surveyor because of circumstantial evidence.
Radar
Maybe the monument did not match the 60d in the leaning powerpole that was called out on their plans, and they just wanted to eliminate any confusion 😛
> Maybe the monument did not match the 60d in the leaning power-pole that was called out on their plans, and they just wanted to eliminate any confusion 😛
You might be right Bob, I've seen stupider sh_t than that. But wouldn't you want to find out for sure, before jumping to the stupid conclusion?
Dugger
