Can someone give me the exact process for an applicant for the FS.
I am muddling thru the process and I don't feel like I am getting it.
This is for my son, he is a college graduate and has worked for me as a crew chief since he was a teenager.
Thanks in advance.
Randy
Randy,
I can't help with your question. Sorry to hijack the thread, I just wanted to congratulate you on your son following in your footsteps! I know you are proud. I have four children and always hoped one would follow in my footsteps as I did my Father's. Sadly, none have an interest in surveying. So when I retire my company does too. Again, congrats!
Stacy Carroll
randy,
i'm not sure what it's like these days. when i went through the process, 11 years ago, i had a 4-year degree and 5 years of field time. but i had a pre-law degree, so i went back full-time for 2 semesters in san marcos and took an aerial class, some GIS stuff, and a bunch of the math that was neither required of pre-law nor of any particular interest to me as an 18 year old "thinker".
if not much has changed, my guess is it's just mainly a verification of the applicable hours as part of his degree. which, i think, was 30- not sure if it's more now.
and hey- you got him through college. let him figure out the application. 😉
Which part are you struggling with? It's been three years since I filled mine out under Section 1071.253 (5) but I could probably figure the application out again.
Cy
wow, daddy is filling out the application instead of letting sonny-boy figure this out himself.
do we really want sonny-boy as a land surveyor in Texas?
kinda smacks of the Toyota Commercial of over protected?
Can't he (the son) call the board of licensure? I took the SIT while still at university, so it was easy enough for a student to figure it out, in New Hampshire at least. I suppose now that the FS is 100% computer based there may be some process that needs to happen to interface directly with NCEES, sorta like I had to with the PLS, and then once that NCEES connection is made, then the state board would finally schedule the applicant.
However, I'm reminded of a saying from Lord Baden Powell... Never do for a boy what he can do for himself.
I hope he figures it out, with some guidance from his employer/dad. I can say that because I too am a second generation LLS who works for the family company, and have basically since high school.
Craig
To those of you that gave useful info. Thanks,
Foe you other jerks, kiss it. Especially you Walleye, I guarantee you he is not a "Sonny-Boy" he can handle himself and if he ever had the chance to meet up with you, your first impression would not be "Sonny-Boy" thats for sure.
I guess you never had a little help in your life. Especially from a fine surveying board such as this.
Just checking is all I am trying to do.
Ross is capable himself and has filled everything out, but as a good employer and as a Dad, I am just checking.
If it yanks your chain, sorry to trouble you and you can get back to guarding that chip on your shoulder.
Randy
Randy - I typed out a response to your thread this morning before church, but it got wiped out before I could send it. My son graduated from Texas A&M in 2010 with a Civil Engineering degree. I checked into it for him when he was working for me, but got so disenchanted with the whole process that I dropped it and can't fully remember all the details. It was basically that he needed to be in responsible charge of a survey crew for at least one year before he could even apply to take the SIT test to begin the program if he passed. He would then have to have to work his way through the SIT program (another 2 or 4 years, I think) and pass all those tests before he could sit for the RPLS test. I told him to forget that crap and get to work in his Civil Engineering license. Needless to say, he has been working as a Civil Engineer ever since and will probably never take the time off to pursue an RPLS license even though he would like to.
well, Randy, go read your OWN post and tell me it does not sound like YOU are filling out HIS paperwork and be honest with that analysis. He probably is a good son, but quit doing his work for him.
YES we HAVE an ARCHAIC DUFUS BOR that HAS NO BALLS or integrity in our fair state and then they are 20 plus years behind the times.
BUT
Neither here nor there, on what you or I Think think of our BOR, it is his duty to get his own license , NOT YOURS DADDY
Hey Walleye,
Chill Dude!!! and survey on, not interested in you input one bit. Maybe one day someone will ask you for help, kinda doubt it with your arrogant attitude.
And by the way I was not talking about out BOR, dummy, I was talking about this surveying board, it kinda has a reputation for surveyors helping other surveyors.
Randy (Daddy)
PS,
Thanks Jeff, I might give you a call today if you are not closed for Christmas and hopefully ol Walleye does not grill you over the coals for checking on something for your son. 😉
Just download the SIT forms and fill them out. MAKE SURE YOU FILL OUT THE RIGHT THING HE'S FILING UNDER!!! His college may not qualify him for the 15E or whatever but there is one that he can qualify under if he's been a chief for you for over 8 years.
When I applied 14 years ago, me and another guy went. I had the "two and two" (two years of college and two years responsible charge) and he had the "experience only" (8 years responsible charge) and we flipped our 15E vs. 15F and had to reapply. Set us back 6 months.
The forms are actually easier now than when I got licensed.
The biggest thing is what kind of degree does he have and does he have the 30 board approved hours. That makes the difference on what section he files under.
Post that and I'll see what I can do brother.
See page 9 if he doesn't have a degree in civil engineering or surveying to see if he has the requisite 30 hours.
Here is the act that will lead you to the proper section he is to file under.
Sec. 1071.253. SURVEYOR-IN-TRAINING CERTIFICATE. (a) An applicant for a surveyor-in-training certificate must:
(1) have earned a bachelor of science degree in surveying from an accredited institution of higher education;
(2) have:
(A) earned a bachelor's degree from an accredited institution of higher education that included at least 32 semester hours in a combination of courses acceptable to the board in:
(i) civil engineering;
(ii) land surveying;
(iii) mathematics;
(iv) photogrammetry;
(v) forestry;
(vi) land law; or
(vii) the physical sciences; and
(B) completed at least one year of experience acceptable to the board in delegated responsible charge as a subordinate to a registered professional land surveyor actively engaged in professional surveying;
(3) have:
(A) earned an associate degree in surveying from an accredited institution of higher education; and
(B) completed at least two years of experience acceptable to the board in delegated responsible charge as a subordinate to a registered professional land surveyor actively engaged in professional surveying;
(4) have:
(A) successfully completed a course of instruction consisting of 32 semester hours in land surveying or the equivalent number of semester hours in board-approved courses related to surveying; and
(B) completed at least two years of experience acceptable to the board in delegated responsible charge as a subordinate to a registered professional land surveyor actively engaged in professional surveying; or
(5) have:
(A) graduated from an accredited high school;
(B) completed at least four years of experience acceptable to the board in delegated responsible charge as a subordinate to a registered professional land surveyor actively engaged in professional surveying; and
(C) provided evidence satisfactory to the board that the applicant is self-educated in professional surveying.
(b) On proof that an applicant has the qualifications required by Subsection (a), the board shall allow the applicant to take an examination consisting of parts of the examination under Section 1071.256, the contents of which are as determined or approved by the board.
(c) The board shall issue a surveyor-in-training certificate to an applicant who passes the applicable parts of the examination taken under Subsection (b). The certificate is valid for eight years.
I filed under (now) what would be Section 1071.253.4. I didn't have my degrees until way after I was licensed.
Hope it helps buddy.
> well, Randy, go read your OWN post and tell me it does not sound like YOU are filling out HIS paperwork and be honest with that analysis. He probably is a good son, but quit doing his work for him.
>
> YES we HAVE an ARCHAIC DUFUS BOR that HAS NO BALLS or integrity in our fair state and then they are 20 plus years behind the times.
>
> BUT
>
> Neither here nor there, on what you or I Think think of our BOR, it is his duty to get his own license , NOT YOURS DADDY
Hey dude, any good employer, who is engaged in helping an employee proceed with licensure, regardless of relation to the prospective registrant, should look over these forms. Also, those forms REQUIRE the employer and two other surveyors to sign off on them so there's no harm in asking for help if this is your first rodeo.
I called the board when both of my guys who ultimately got licensed, were filling out their applications, just because I cared about my employees to make it happen.
someone does not need to tell this ole man to chill as i have had my hand in getting more than 100 of YOUR fellow professionals of men and women registered in this state.
Helping, Reviewing and teaching folks is one thing, BUT intersession with the BOR, getting forms and filling them out is on thing I do not find acceptable.
AND
the shorthand is: "BOR + Board of Registration"
Hey wallered eyes,
If you are trying to impress me with you skills of helping men and women getting their license, well its way too late for that.
How hard is it to type with your foot in your mouth?
Randy
Kris, Thanks for the info, I will review and see if I have any questions.
Thanks and Merry Christmas
> someone does not need to tell this ole man to chill as i have had my hand in getting more than 100 of YOUR fellow professionals of men and women registered in this state.
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> Helping, Reviewing and teaching folks is one thing, BUT intersession with the BOR, getting forms and filling them out is on thing I do not find acceptable.
>
> AND
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> the shorthand is: "BOR + Board of Registration"
Evidently, we did need to tell you. Many times, as I'm sure you've seen in your hundred licensee's, the prospective registrant lacks confidence. So, to that end, actually MENTORING them, and then coming behind them to make sure they did it right, helps to build that confidence and actually is paying it forward for what was done for the MENTOR then.
Or you can be obtuse, I really don't care what you find acceptable.
Randy, you too cowboy.
Hey, I found that if your guys can work a "3 point curve" longhand, there should be little the SIT can throw at them, math wise, that they cannot handle. I wouldn't let my guys go sit for it until they could crank it out.
They both passed first shot.
Kris
Once you pass the entrance exam and get accepted into the SIT program, how long does it take to graduate through the program and become eligible to sit for the RPLS exam?
