I'm talking specifically about the double sets of points with cogo and survey points
I refrain from using "survey points". I import "cogo points" to the drawing and then populate the survey database by "import points from drawing" on running the F2f. If edits to the points are appropriate I'll do that to the cogo points and then re-import to the SD. Once the F2f is complete I discard the SD. So if the "survey points" are what you are referring to as "hot garbage" - OK - but to me it's just something that doesn't enter my consciousness.?ÿ I couldn't say that of actual hot garbage.?ÿ ?ÿ
I'm talking specifically about the double sets of points with cogo and survey points
I refrain from using "survey points". I import "cogo points" to the drawing and then populate the survey database by "import points from drawing" on running the F2f. If edits to the points are appropriate I'll do that to the cogo points and then re-import to the SD. Once the F2f is complete I discard the SD. So if the "survey points" are what you are referring to as "hot garbage" - OK - but to me it's just something that doesn't enter my consciousness.?ÿ I couldn't say that of actual hot garbage.?ÿ ?ÿ
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What are the benefits of using the Survey Database? Is it a means to get you to the goal of automatically drawing linework based on a points code? Are there other advantages?
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Interesting video...thanks for sharing
Here we put everything needed for a project/client in the template. The user only needs to set the projection/zone and import the points that were QCd in TBC and they're off and running.
T. Nelson - SAM
I haven't transformed between projections yet as I've never been in a situation where I'm working between a UTM boundary, but I believe this video would be the workflow you're looking for? If you happen to try it, let me know how it works.
I do like the Attach routine, but aside from being a bit cumbersome and technical for the average CAD tech, it actually inserts the objects from the reference drawing to the target drawing rather than overlay the two and keeping them separate.
We will use Attach to transform DWG from one system to the other and then Save As to a new DWG file, but that negates the goal of being able to keep drawings in different systems and pull them in as references that will reproject correctly.
What do you find you can do in Carlson that you cannot in C3D? Or what do you find that Carlson does better?
The first thing is that I can do with Carlson is pocket about $4000 per copy vs. buying a copy of C3d, back when you could still buy a copy of C3d outright.?ÿ Second thing is to actually buy a copy for about the cost of the annual rental of C3d. The annual upgrade fee on Carlson is about equal to the monthly rental of C3d. So it is much cheaper, that is, at least the IntelliCAD based version is. And ICAD has become a very good and stable product.?ÿ
Beyond that Carlson just has a lot of functions going beyond drafting - that actually work - that C3d just doesn't have. It includes a fully functioning LS adjustment package called SurvNet, for example. It has utilities for downloading your data collector. There are also numerous little routines that C3d just doesn't have.?ÿ ?ÿ
What are the benefits of using the Survey Database?
The main benefit is that the "survey points" are locked to users and can only be edited via the SD. Therefore, downstream users (ie/engineers and architects) who lack access to the SD cannot F with the data points. To me it does seem like a solution in search of a problem.
Yes, by double sets of points I'm talking about survey points and cogo points.?ÿ And I'm hardly a Civil 3D power user so my experience is limited, but I still don't see the difference between 3D polylines and survey figures other than survey figures being more difficult to edit.?ÿ?ÿ
The main benefit is that the "survey points" are locked to users and can only be edited via the SD. Therefore, downstream users (ie/engineers and architects) who lack access to the SD cannot F with the data points. To me it does seem like a solution in search of a problem.
That is certainly a huge benefit as it's not only others that move points, It stops anyone from accidentally moving points.?ÿ I've moved my fair share on accident.
We use the database to insert points across the project into any drawing associated with the project seamlessly.?ÿ Our projects can span 10s, if not hundreds of drawings and files.?ÿ?ÿ
We use the database to log the data in and out for each day by name.?ÿ You tell me the point #, i can tell you what day it was tied and who tied it in 15 seconds.?ÿ Not always needed, but when it is it's very useful.
We use the database....well...as a database.?ÿ We tie all our primary control and section corners in State Plane and have built a state plane survey database.?ÿ Then, we we're getting ready to start a new project we set our project transformation settings(to get us to ground) import our pertinent section corners and control points switch the transformation settings back and now we're good to go.?ÿ This has saved us countless hours.
There are other advantages, but those are the few off the top of my head.
The main benefit is that the "survey points" are locked to users and can only be edited via the SD. Therefore, downstream users (ie/engineers and architects) who lack access to the SD cannot F with the data points. To me it does seem like a solution in search of a problem.
That is certainly a huge benefit as it's not only others that move points, It stops anyone from accidentally moving points.?ÿ I've moved my fair share on accident.
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Right click a point group in the prospector tab, select lock points.
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We use the database to insert points across the project into any drawing associated with the project seamlessly.?ÿ Our projects can span 10s, if not hundreds of drawings and files.?ÿ?ÿ
We use the database to log the data in and out for each day by name.?ÿ You tell me the point #, i can tell you what day it was tied and who tied it in 15 seconds.?ÿ Not always needed, but when it is it's very useful.
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Sounds interesting, I'll need to look into this more.
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We use the database....well...as a database.?ÿ We tie all our primary control and section corners in State Plane and have built a state plane survey database.?ÿ Then, we we're getting ready to start a new project we set our project transformation settings(to get us to ground) import our pertinent section corners and control points switch the transformation settings back and now we're good to go.?ÿ This has saved us countless hours.
There are other advantages, but those are the few off the top of my head.
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Thanks for the reply, I'll definitely dive into the survey database more.
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We use the database....well...as a database.
I learned something new about the databases just other day that was kind of sad and amusing.?ÿ Every place I've worked had a survey database folder in their blank folder template for new projects.?ÿ So, we'd set up a database for every project which is probably pretty normal.?ÿ What isn't normal is having to navigate to and change the working folder every time we wanted to work on a different project.
Apparently there is a way to display all of your databases in prospector and you can just open any them for editing right there.?ÿ I don't know if this sorcery has been around for a long time or what but it's one thing at least a few companies in this area should get on.
Apparently there is a way to display all of your databases in prospector and you can just open any them for editing right there.?ÿ I don't know if this sorcery has been around for a long time or what but it's one thing at least a few companies in this area should get on.
Good point BStrand. I have also seen that when watching webinars and reading forums and I always wondered why companies had that setup.?ÿ
We set our database up from the very beginning to list all our projects (by job number) in our survey database.?ÿ You never have to change the working folder, ever.?ÿ The way to do this is to name the survey database with the exact same name as your Civil3d Project directory.?ÿ Ours are all numbered so it's a simple setup.
I ... don't see the difference between 3D polylines and survey figures
3d polylines do not support curves. 2d polylines do, but don't support changes in elevation. Survey Figures do both. FEATURE LINES have much of the same functionality as SURVEY FIGURES without the SD baggage.?ÿ But they are not created by the F2f functions.?ÿ
@bstrand I am no civil3d users just dipping my toe in. It??s driving me nuts. I am sure i will get it but I have not found one simple thing in civil3d that i can??t do in tbc from a daily qa/qc auto linework computations surfaces and now even labeling. ?ÿIt takes me less time honestly to do everything in tbc than i can in civil3d. I am sure it will change some as i get use to all the extra commands in civil3d. I can do deeds way faster in tbc. If i use the same exact data to make a surface from a topo and contour it in TBC then use same points and such to do it in civil3d they all look similar so same underlying computation but TBC always has less jogs and much smoother and readable to me. Even my boss who is stamping things sais now forget doing the surface in civil3d just do it in tbc and export the landxml and import to final drawing in civil3d. He has tried to beat my time doing comps along lines in civil3d for points. Tbc does this way easier. I do have to figure out the best work flow to get my automated linework to come into civil3d better. I have been burning the midnight oil on my own trying and experimenting with this. We have a fxl for all our codes for Trimble access but the line types symbols and layers are not what they have in civil3d so i am slowly updating that. I am sure there is some way to do it quicker but i have not had the time to try it yet. I have had no issues exporting a cad 2018 version from tbc and getting it into civil3d. Only the issue was he had not used the company template so it civil3d had defaulted to internal feet instead of usft. Which my linework was in. I have exported a couple surfaces but i need to experiment with the other options as civil3d seems to add a new point to it where triangles connect. It??s probably a setting on my side in tbc. I am trying to now get all my labels and layers and symbols blocks all to flow from access to tbc to civil3d seamlessly so at every step we all see tge same exact thing. From field to finish. I have a site that is always changing so the surfaces always change because they go back and change it in spots. This is why i am more focused on tbc than civil3d at the moment. I can easily remove the old points and keep things flowing. And in a click of the mouse i can instantly disable the old point and know exactly what jxl file and what date it was done so i can add a label for client stating this has been updated.
We have a fxl for all our codes for Trimble access but the line types symbols and layers are not what they have in civil3d so i am slowly updating that.?ÿ
You can set your fxl to use block symbols
Import them from a Civil3D dwg or dxf and they will be the same all the way through Access-TBC-Civil3D
Layers can also be controlled in the fxl
Linetypes are a little more difficult - if you keep the naming consistent right through you should be able to get what you need.
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@jimcox gotcha. Yeah i have figured out how to import the linetype from a cad drawing but its one at a time also same with a symbol and or the blocks. Its all time consuming doing it one at a time. Seems like there should be a way to export from one or the other in a standard format and make it all work. ?ÿIf i can do one at a time i bet someone has figured a way how to do it all at once. I saw some portion of a video where they had exported the description key set from cad and imported it to fxl. But I don??t know enough yet about what the description keys actually do. ?ÿOne of my biggest issues is i don??t do well as a button pusher and even when i ask simple questions like what fonts we use for different things i am just told to use the standard template don??t worry about why or how they are chosen. The way my mind works it tells me the blind is leading the blind. I want to know how to do something set it up etc so I understand. I will get there i been downloading recommended basic videos on various civil3d topics so i can see how and where everything is. In tbc i can understand because i have to manually go find everything i want and have no office standard template yet. I will for production for sure but for learning i had to figure it all out. ?ÿWith civil3d it??s all set up and i am to just use it. Its like I will not train a crew chief to just push a button. I explain the math or process to him or her. The boss is like just set it up one way so he follows the same process every time. I say I will teach him to fish instead of given him fish sticks nuked in microwave. Especially with rtk and gps you have to think or your just pushing a button. ?ÿThanks for the info. I will play around with my testing copy on this blocks thing. I have a access emulator as well i do a little testing in and bring in to tbc then test in civil3d.
that package is matched between C3D and Trimble.?ÿ GIS codes too.
HMU and we can discuss.
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3d polylines do not support curves.
I guess that's one advantage to Carlson, then
I have exported a couple surfaces but i need to experiment with the other options as civil3d seems to add a new point to it where triangles connect. It??s probably a setting on my side in tbc.
No, those are the survey points I've mentioned previously.?ÿ I've always wondered what the point of them is but I guess they're what makes survey figures able to work the way they do.
I ... don't see the difference between 3D polylines and survey figures
3d polylines do not support curves. 2d polylines do, but don't support changes in elevation. Survey Figures do both. FEATURE LINES have much of the same functionality as SURVEY FIGURES without the SD baggage.?ÿ But they are not created by the F2f functions.?ÿ
That's right, I've had people tell me that in the past.
One of the places I worked used feature lines and I kind of liked that way of doing things.?ÿ What I would like then is for the database to draw my linework with 2D polylines so I can easily make any edits and then once that's done I simply select all and create features lines from objects.
If there's a way to tell the database to draw the linework as something other than a survey figure I would love to know about that.
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I ... don't see the difference between 3D polylines and survey figures
3d polylines do not support curves. 2d polylines do, but don't support changes in elevation. Survey Figures do both. FEATURE LINES have much of the same functionality as SURVEY FIGURES without the SD baggage.?ÿ But they are not created by the F2f functions.?ÿ
3D polylines also don't properly render linestyles?ÿ
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