No further comment!
The word that bothers me is "must". If the question said, 'which of these is an acceptable solution", then I would pick the one that I think is best. But I don't think I must do any of those things, and I think that MTS is pretty clear that showing record vs. measured bearing/distance is the preferred approach. I could see how B or C could both be acceptable answers under unusual circumstances. But my problem is that neither solution gives the option of accepting the monument.
(A) Obviously Wrong.
(B) If I "show fallings" from the calculated corner, which I take to mean putting a note on the survey that says something like "Found 1" Iron Pipe 0.14'S and 12'W of true corner" (a note which I've occasional seen, and think is a very bad idea, and is not supported in MTS), then I'm basically saying I disagree with the monument, find it unacceptable, and I'm creating a virtual corner 0.18' from the existing monument. And to take it one step further, I suppose my client should rely on my virtual corner, for building fences and setbacks, rather than the actual monument. So here, I'm not accepting a found monument that's very close, nor am I monumenting the corner where I think it should be, as required by MTS.
(C) I could see C as being correct on rare occasions where I'm so convinced that my boundary control, basis of bearing, accuracy of measurements, and judgement are air tight and that some how 0.18' of linear displacement of a monument is going to cause a needless problem with encroachments, or some such thing. But again, C does not give me option of accepting the monument, and therefore, it's not something I must do, and generally would try to avoid.
(D) Obviously a joke ... but perhaps better than the alternatives given.
I'm sorry I implied you were a deed staker. I really didn't know you read the board here. This question just rubs me the wrong way since it doesn't give me the option of accepting a monument 0.18' from where my data collector tells me it should be.
“I prefer "set found iron pipe"”
So when I go out and resurvey what you did and disagree I’ll have to call my corner a “reset set found iron pipe". And so on by the next surveyor.
Have a great weekend! B-)
I think of the answers provided, "Worry about it on Monday" is probably the closest to correct.
Maybe with additional research, talking with the adjoiners, and evaluation of previous usage of the pipe, a better decision can be made than the other answers.
I could't help myself
I have to opine, and we wonder where the deed stakers come from?
Perhaps in the future you should consider your audience before you hurl insults as you really never know where they will land. We try to attempt to simply provide a economic and hopefully simply way for Florida surveyors to obtain their CEU hours. In our history this is the first occasion anyone has ever gotten their panties into a wad over a simple question.
Just tell me where to mail your refund check. I would hate for you to go through life believing that you were supporting a deed staker.
I'm out of here...
Bye.
The question was valid, but the answers were not.
LOL!!!!
Don't you mean future Board Member????
Yep,
Pin cushions, creating gaps and overlaps ever since "really precise" measurements were easily obtainable, and mathematics trumped evidence, intent and reliance.
Ain't surveying easy and fun??????? Who needs the courts? All we really need are precise measurements.
Profession? What profession???
Yep, we had a good run while it lasted..............
So the answer is supposed to be "set a new corner"????
I was gong to respond but there is not enough room in here for it and your ego as survey god so I'll just say "kiss my ass and good night."
Ah Joe.......or whoever you are and hiding behind an anonymous name.
Give us the answer and why?
No, the answer is, it depends. However, you had better have some pretty darn good evidence other than "the existing pipe isn't where my mathematical calculations say it should be or should have been set" to ignore an existing monument. Intent, reliance, etc. should be investigated and seriously considered before setting a pin cushion corner or removing an existing monument.
Leaving the monument in the ground and referencing a virtual corner upon which no reasonable landowner can have reasonable notice of, let alone rely upon, is a waste of time. If the corner is somewhere other than where the existing monument is, at least have the courage to place a new monument with your name and license number on it.
Should I give ole Joe the time of day?
Maybe surveyors in Florida know ole Joe, but to the rest of here, (at least me), all I know is he is anonymous and full of it!
With his attitude and his answers, it is no wonder we are seeing and reading the technician answers on how to survey.
I have been insulted before, but takes a bigger man then one hiding behind an anonymous name.
Really Joe, you need to get real.
Keith
:good:
Should I give ole Joe the time of day?
No you should not, Keith.
Anonymity is one thing, but if he's not going to incorporate at least two knee jerk symbols (flags and eagles leap to mind) I feel he's just beneath contempt.
No reflection on you, old partner, I'm in your camp.
Don
That bird's not looking any better
That bird's not looking any better.
What are you feeding it?
Don
B. is the answer!
Locate (accept) it where it is.
Show the difference with your calc'd position if you want.
Is this difficult?
Joe's right, and you would all agree with him if you were paying attention.
I was distracted by your righteous umbrage at first, then I re-read the question.
Don
B. is the answer!
So you think annotating a survey with "Found 1" Iron Pipe 0.12' south and 0.14' west" is a good solution? Can anyone point to anything in Florida MTS that says I MUST annotate a drawing that way? I sure can't find it.
