What is a boundary?
Seriously, how would you define a boundary?
JBS
> What is a boundary?
Fences, row of trees, mow lines, plow furrows anything that qualifies as a limit line.
I set pins once on a vague (or not) boundary.
"Follow along the ridge to top of the next ridge"
Apparently it was left to us field monkeys to determine
"the ridge" and the top of the ridge. I was not comfortable
with that being the green horn. The LS should have been out
there with us IMHO. The other fellers were all under 25 years
in age. I was probably 45 or so at the time.
Apparently that was not all that uncommon in my
Appalachian area back then - circa 7 years ago.
You call it Q#1 and you have two Qs?
RADU
> What is a boundary?
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The Limits
> Seriously, how would you define a boundary?
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That which can not be crossed.
> What is a boundary?
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> Seriously, how would you define a boundary?
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> JBS
That Line between contiguous pieces of property. (tracts of Land, patches of earth, sectors of air, ect.)
And it takes me every tool in my bag of tricks to define said boundary.;-)
JB asked about Boundaries, not Property Boundaries
> That Line between contiguous pieces of property. (tracts of Land, patches of earth, sectors of air, etc.)
Jered, actually, JB didn't ask what a property boundary was. He asked what a boundary was. That's a different sort of question. It assumes that there are at least two different qualities that have some spatial extent, such as, say water with an oil slick visible on its surface and water without it, or households within 50 ft. of a person with leprosy.
Naturally, rights of ownership are one such quality, but JB wasn't asking about that. He wanted to know whether things that vary in space such as oil slicks and leprosy just all ran together or were separated somehow. Sure, most likely neither you nor I would ask the question that way, but that was what was posted, probably for some intensely theoretical reason.
JB asked about Boundaries, not Property Boundaries
> > That Line between contiguous pieces of property. (tracts of Land, patches of earth, sectors of air, etc.)
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> Jered, actually, JB didn't ask what a property boundary was. He asked what a boundary was. That's a different sort of question. It assumes that there are at least two different qualities that have some spatial extent, such as, say water with an oil slick visible on its surface and water without it, or households within 50 ft. of a person with leprosy.
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> Naturally, rights of ownership are one such quality, but JB wasn't asking about that. He wanted to know whether things that vary in space such as oil slicks and leprosy just all ran together or were separated somehow. Sure, most likely neither you nor I would ask the question that way, but that was what was posted, probably for some intensely theoretical reason.
Kent,
I generally know what JB was asking or getting at since I have had the esteemed pleasure of taking a lecture seminar from him and discussing the exact nature of that question.:hi5: At the moment of my response I just didn't feel up to dictating an overly verbose answer and restating what I felt he was thinking since in a theoretical sense, as you mentioned, his question was crystal clear. Yes, I used "property" in my response as to somewhat relate my answer to the general target audience that I would assume lurks in the shadows reading posts from a surveyors forum, but...... I believe the overall essence of my understanding of the question shines through in my answer without having to cover the separation of geophysical, imaginary, or politically correct boundaries.;-)
I guess you jump started the loquaciousness in me,:-P but it could be since its 1:30am here and Im starting to get delirious. Time to call it a night. Im sure none of this will make sense in the morning.
Cheers.
JB asked about Boundaries, not Property Boundaries
a place/point/line/whatever that separates the interests of the parties involved
A limit established by a father between his daughter and her boyfriend.
Which, no matter how well defined by the creator, is subject to change by subsequent actions of the parties involved.
''Boundary'' Cannot Be Separated from ''Bounds''
In Colonial States we have Bounds and Boundaries.
In theory with Aliquot Parts there are no Boundaries in PLSS States.
Paul in PA
Ok, Q #1, just for Kent...
> > That Line between contiguous pieces of property. (tracts of Land, patches of earth, sectors of air, etc.)
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> Jered, actually, JB didn't ask what a property boundary was. He asked what a boundary was. That's a different sort of question. It assumes that there are at least two different qualities that have some spatial extent, such as, say water with an oil slick visible on its surface and water without it, or households within 50 ft. of a person with leprosy.
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> Naturally, rights of ownership are one such quality, but JB wasn't asking about that. He wanted to know whether things that vary in space such as oil slicks and leprosy just all ran together or were separated somehow. Sure, most likely neither you nor I would ask the question that way, but that was what was posted, probably for some intensely theoretical reason.
What is a boundary (in the context of a real property estate)?
JBS
Ok, Q #1, just for Kent...
In Texas the only person allowed to survey the boundary of a property is an RPLS therefore the "boundary" is where the surveyor says it is. If someone disagrees with that boundary location their only useful recourse is a lawsuit. I feel it would be a much better system if some form of TBPLS mediation review board existed that could decide which survey was technically correct and which was garbage and require it to be redone correctly.
So you did mean "Property Boundary", not "Boundary"
> What is a boundary (in the context of a real property estate)?
In other words, when you asked in your initial post "What is a boundary?", you really meant to ask "What is a real property boundary?"
''Boundary'' Cannot Be Separated from ''Bounds''
A boundary is the beginning and the end, the start and the finish. In real property matters, a boundary is where the portion of the bundle of rights held by a specific party begins and ends. Said boundary must be defined such that it is clear enough that a reasonable person could agree with a second reasonable person that it is such a beginning/ending location. Within said boundary is the realm of the possessor of said portion of the bundle of rights. Others may hold a different portion of the bundle of rights within that boundary or any subpart thereof.
The physical location of the boundary is subject to interpretation based on many factors. Determining said physical location by a disinterested third party is a part of the charge given to licensed land surveyors. Said determination can be appealed through the legal system.
CC
A~men
Within the context of real property ownership; any physical evidence recognized and accepted by the affected land owners that marks the limits of their occupation and control. It is immaterial whether or not said evidence is accurately described in any public record.
Richard Schaut
So you did mean "Property Boundary", not "Boundary"
Kent.....do you know no boundaries? I bet he needs a properly placed comma.....
Within the context of real property ownership;
The limits of the parcel as described within the deed, which actually conveys the real property ownership in fee. The physical limits may or may not have been conveyed.
So you did mean "Property Boundary", not "Boundary"
> I bet he needs a properly placed comma.....
Well, the point is that usually the form in which a question is asked structures the answer. If you ask a sloppy question, you'll tend to get sloppy answers. "What is a real property boundary?" really is an improvement because the answer lies in what real property is. If fuzzy thinking gives you a thrill, then answer me this: "Why is a duck?"
