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Natural or artificial separations or divisions between adjoining properties that show their limits.

A boundary is every separation, natural or artificial (man-made), which marks the confines or line of division of two contiguous estates

But even in the late twentieth century, with scientific information methods available, mapmakers occasionally are forced to turn to ancient landmarks and memories when attempting to set boundaries. For example, for centuries the borders within the Arabian peninsula had been loosely defined by tribes' grazing patterns. Following Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait and subsequent defeat in 1991, United Nations mapmakers attempted to determine the exact border between Iraq and Kuwait. The United Nations enlisted the help of British border expert Julian Walker, who sought out elderly guides who could describe the locations of landmarks referred to in earlier records and provide a starting place for demarcation of the border.


 
Posted : May 3, 2011 3:50 pm
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Where do I sign up to work on that job - NOT!


 
Posted : May 3, 2011 4:06 pm
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Kent,

you would make a good lawyer.


 
Posted : May 3, 2011 4:17 pm
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Kent,

>You would make a good lawyer

Does this violate the rule against insults and name calling?


 
Posted : May 3, 2011 4:53 pm
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Kent,

> Does this violate the rule against insults and name calling?

No, it means I made the point with "Why is a duck?". It isn't nitpicking to expect that questions of any importance be asked properly.


 
Posted : May 3, 2011 4:55 pm

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Don't make me get Black's out...

A natural or artificial separation that delineates the confines of real property.


 
Posted : May 3, 2011 6:14 pm
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I will stick my neck out a little more...

A boundary is the physical implementation of the words of the Deed description. Since we have no means to exactly and perfectly implement the Deed the actual boundary will never exactly fit the Deed perfectly. The responsibility of the Land Surveyor is to locate where the boundary actually is located; not where it should be but sometimes it is the job of the Surveyor to locate the boundary as nearly perfectly as possible usually on a new boundary or a boundary which has not been marked before.


 
Posted : May 3, 2011 6:19 pm
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I hope Mr. Walker took all his statements from the "elders" under oath, and recorded it in his field book.........

Oh, wait Iraq/Kuwait, not Idaho! Dang, never mind!!


 
Posted : May 3, 2011 10:48 pm
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Kent,

Apparently, Kent doesn't know the answer (even after the question is reformatted to his liking).


 
Posted : May 4, 2011 6:29 am
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Kent,

> Apparently, Kent doesn't know the answer

Rocket Science!


 
Posted : May 4, 2011 7:41 am

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I will stick my neck out a little more...

What if the property owners actually want to know where the boundary should be? This gets back to my statement that nobody has ever called me asking "Where is my fence?" but they do call asking "where is my property line?"


 
Posted : May 4, 2011 8:54 am
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Steve, I have an answer for you...

So you go out there and after reviewing the evidence of the fence you conclude that it is not a boundary monument.

So you either conclude some other objects are the boundary monuments (such as pre-existing pipes or rebars) or you use what you consider to be the best procedure to re-establish the boundary (for example, measuring from original centerline control).

As you know most boundary surveys are not simple scenario type problems. There is usually some fuzziness involved. The origins of various physical objects are unknown and no one knows. Lucas's subdivision retracement scenario sounded great except that it is hardly ever that clear cut.


 
Posted : May 4, 2011 5:59 pm
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