Property Line Plaque

Interesting...I've never seen anything like that. In CA, to set those, you would be required to include your LS number on the plaque. You could also probably add an establishment note to it, they're big enough.

Did a survey in downtown Des Moines on an old block east of the river a few years back. On one corner there was a little triangle shape marker (brass/bronze?) set in the sidewalk that said "property corner". It was kind of neat, but I didn't have my camera with me at the time to snap a picture.

I haven't been back down to that site but wonder if it is still there after whatever construction was done? May have to go check on it some day and get a picture if it's still there.

Those type of plaques are common in downtown Los Angeles. The reason they are there is because the sidewalk is built up to the building which is setback from the actual PL.

Once a year the sidewalk areas between the building and the PL is roped off to create a gap in use by the public.

Ryan: You do not need to be an LS to install one of those plaques just like a homeowner would not need to be licensed to install signs around his property that says "Private Property - No Tresspassing". It's the same thing, it's just giving notice to the public.

PS... It's been a while since I have been downtown where these plaques are located but I do recall also seeing a brass strip imbedded in the concrete walk about 1/4" wide or so running from plaque corner to plaque corner

I've never seen it this far east , and we're about as far east as you can get...

Paul; it is more than a sign, it is a claim. Owners can survey all they want within the bounds of their ownership but when they start doing their own thing on the boundary's it becomes something else. I would consider those plaques monuments and as such they would be required to meet the standards of any monument being set as a reference to an ownership line or corner. An owner setting such a thing can only be a claim which may or may not be correct, but it could over time allow for a claim by Adverse Possession, Acquiescence or other legal claim to acquire title or it could set one up for the adjoiner to make such a claim if the plaque was in his favor. If she wants such a thing, I think it would be fine to set it for her but treat it as any other monument that you set and be prepared to defend it in court.
jud

same here in Maryland, never have seen one

This was discussed at some length way back on the old board.

I've seen markers like these all over Manhattan. Generally, they are not set on the actual property line, but merely by the owner or sidewalk builder to give notice that the building is on a setback, and not to assume any unclaimed rights. Although, as the exception to the rule, I did once witness a surveyor actually setting the plaque on the property corner.

We were actually going to a Broadway show about a month ago and they had Schubert Alley blocked off. (This alley passes between West 44th Street and West 45th Street on the block between Seventh Avenue and Eighth Avenue). Instead of walking through to get to the theater, we had to walk around the block through Times Square.

I told my wife it was probably their annual closing to assure that their rights were kept intact, so she went over to one of the security guards and asked if that was the case. He was surprised that someone from the general public knew, as I guess not many people are aware of this situation. Thousands of people walk through Schubert Alley every day.

Forest Hills Gardens, a private community near where we live, does the same thing. The private community consists of 142 acres and has about 800 homes and numerous private streets, fashioned after a traditional English Village.

Some great pictures can be seen here:

http://www.bridgeandtunnelclub.com/bigmap/queens/foresthills/foresthillsgardens/index.htm

Though all of the Gardens is private property, it is not a gated community and cars and pedestrians can usually pass through unimpeded. There is even a city bus route passing through one of the main streets. On-street parking is off limits except to residents and guests, and once a year, they close the streets at the borders to maintain their property rights.

Nope never seen one either..

> Paul; it is more than a sign, it is a claim.

I disagree. It's a statement, not a claim.

Jud let's just agree to disagree on this one. The last time I looked my state board did not have a monopoly on the words "property" or "line"

In Oklahoma..

We have a lot of those, but they look like this:

In Oklahoma..

You betcha Paden. Lot's of them fancy signs around Lawton also.

Paul, Perhaps if the owner set the thing and then others relied on it over time, it could create a huge problem. In this case a surveyor was asked to set it. If he does, he best treat it as a monument and set it with as much care as any other monument he sets. If an owner set it and the adjoiner knew it was not intended to represent a property line and claim, then it could be considered as a convenience fence would be, we have many of those around here and they were never a problem until recently with the new brand of owners that buy for recreation reasons. They want the land if in their favor or want the fence moved if not. But most seeing those plaques would accept it as the true line although it was not intended as such. If I came across an old one, I would need to look at it as an unrecorded monument and then see if it was reasonable or in error enough to reject. I would discourage their use unless they are correct and can be defended in court. That is my opinion only, but it does represent what would be going through my mind if I ever encountered one.
jud

In Oklahoma..

> We have a lot of those, but they look like this:
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Are you sure your name ain't paden chick'ns?

I meant that if I installed those as a surveyor, in lieu of a more common form of boundary monument, then a tag number would need to be applied.

But maybe she is just asking for you to draw her a "plaque". Hmmm...

As Jud indicates, anytime I have found one in my work, I have NOT used it as an actual boundary corner or marker.

Except for the one time I saw a surveyor setting it, none of them (I've probably had occasion to check eight or ten different times) has ever been "on the line"....at least not close enough for Manhattan boundary work.

The gal who asked me about these has hired me to place 2 of them on her property line in the front sidewalk. - I hope I can have these made for less than $300, otherwise I'll be upside down --($300) was the premium to be added to the survey fee.

CHECK bERNSTEN'S FOR THEIR SPECIALTY MONUMENTS- WHO SEZ THE PLAQUE CAN'T BE ROUND-