Surveyor wants points on all Sewer and storm manholes with rim elevations and descriptions. 190 points and you have the cad file with all structures and linework.
So, What Is The Question ?
Paul in PA
What/how do you charge for just creating the points? (no field work)
Seems like the question needs to get fleshed out a little before an answer can be put forward.
Whose data is it, does your service include QAQC, who will use it etc.
Thad,
Back when I was doing alot of construction layout, everything was done on a time and expenses basis per the fee schedule with an upfront estimate of time per particular item to be laid out. (ie utilities, road, grading, curb etc)
This work was agreed to by the client (in writing via a contract for services) prior to starting any office or field work.
Also, there would be requests while in the field to "just set a couple hubs for this or that". Those "couple hubs" sometimes took another day because the "couple" were really 100+ hubs. That work was documented by a field change form I kept in the truck and was signed by someone in responsible charge.
The time also included office time for layout computations, checking the cadd file if it was provided by others, and creating cut sheets etc.
I always computed my own layout points. I never had anyone provide them for me.
Bob
Larry will be along shortly to ask what the value is to the client.
Also perhaps, what your liability exposure is.
> Larry will be along shortly to ask what the value is to the client.
> Also perhaps, what your liability exposure is.
Lol....
Value to the client.....relief of liability
Liability/exposure....90%;-)
> Larry will be along shortly to ask what the value is to the client.
> Also perhaps, what your liability exposure is.
LOL. Bill you know me well.
Larry P
> What/how do you charge for just creating the points? (no field work)
IF IF IF the cad files you have are in good shape and have all the required data in them this seems like 4-6 hours of work for a survey tech.
> > What/how do you charge for just creating the points? (no field work)
> ... seems like 4-6 hours of work for a survey tech.
You need some better survey techs or some better tools. I could do this with Carlson in half hour or less. The real problem isn't creating the coordinates. The real problem is the coordinate system for the drawing file. META DATA is your critical element.
Of course, when it comes to what you charge, that shouldn't be related to how efficiently you can use your tools. Value and liability are key elements in that determination.
Larry P
Well, I am a surveyor and that info would be worth about 2 bucks a point to me. Any more and I would calc it myself.
> > > What/how do you charge for just creating the points? (no field work)
> > ... seems like 4-6 hours of work for a survey tech.
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> You need some better survey techs or some better tools. I could do this with Carlson in half hour or less.
I would suggest that it could take 30 minutes to propagate the points and 3.5 to 4.5 hours to QA/QC the work.B-)
> Of course, when it comes to what you charge, that shouldn't be related to how efficiently you can use your tools. Value and liability are key elements in that determination.
Of course....;-)
I hope everyone is having a great day! I know I am.
Dougie
Thanks for all the replies. Would it make a difference in your price if you knew your software so well and the one it was sent that in less than two commands (under one minute) could get what the surveyor wanted on all points?
Is that ethical to charge the same as the average person could do?
> ... Would it make a difference in your price if you knew your software so well and the one it was sent that in less than two commands (under one minute) could get what the surveyor wanted on all points?
Does that fact impact the value of the product to your client? If no, then no, it would not impact my price. But <---- (this is a huge but) if you have negotiated a price sheet with the client where you do charge for your services by time, then charging for anything other than your time is a problem. (Yet another reason to not charge for your time.)
> Is that ethical to charge the same as the average person could do?
See answer above. If you agreed on a rate sheet, I bet it says nothing about how quickly a less trained person could do the work. You can either be honest and honor your agreement or you can "fudge" and live with being less than honest. I bet you aren't the sort that feels good about fudging things that hurt the client just to put more $$ in your pocket.
Larry P
I have no rate sheet and wouldn't give that information out anyway.
> Surveyor wants points on all Sewer and storm manholes with rim elevations and descriptions. 190 points and you have the cad file with all structures and linework.
Thad, I know we've met before here on beeleg. All good. I now do realize that machine control GPS is pretty slick. Gotta few under my belt.
But 190 points is like baking a cake or cooking a BLT for lunch. What are you gonna do in the afternoon?
Key word - CONTROL. That's where us guys with the numbers and letters on our signatures come into play. Don't mess with it and nobody messes with you. Then you guys go bake your cake and enjoy your BLT, as the dozer runs you a new poop shoot.
I'll be golfing or fishing.....lol
Kinda jokin' pal. Good luck
> I have no rate sheet and wouldn't give that information out anyway.
In that case, negotiate and come to an agreement before doing the work. Once you and the client agree on a price how much time you spend doing the work is irrelevant.
Larry P
> Once you and the client agree on a price how much time you spend doing the work is irrelevant.
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> Larry P
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