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Critical question

Are we to assume that these points being monumented are already known? So, we are not including the cost to locate and verify them?

My thought would be two hours of normal field charge plus drive time plus 120 percent of whatever your concrete buddy is going to charge you.

Critical question

Correct.

How much for the concrete work etc, in case I can not get hold of him soon....???

I would think labor is the big nut here, assuming that the monuments do not need to be set at an exact location.

I would ask a contractor how long it would take for him to dig the hole, install the monument, pour the concrete, and back fill.

We charge $350 for a regular 36" concrete monument (everything included) I'd imagine you'd charge a lot more than that for each one.

very poor design.
You may need to form the hole since it is that deep and using a gas auger may be out of the picture. Uing PVC for the monument casing woiuld have been better.
and having that post stick out of the ground like that is simply beryy berry bad with no subsurface mark.

But to answer yoru question, I would say 2 day's work with materials plus 10% for handlinf and 2 crew hours weather contigicies and another 10% for profit protection.
and mobe' and demobe' time from site to site.

Is he wanting you to build them to a set elevation or will it be tied down after construction? You will neet to vibrate the concrete while placing it.

I will suggest providing XYZ after installation.

Local Concrete Guy...

... says $750 each for his crew to install.

Thanks Guys!!

(panic mode over...for now)

Brad

I'm assuming that you will do the positioning on them as well.

We did a lot of this for many cities. You'll be money (and time) ahead if you buy 2.5 sacks of sack-crete for each monument and build them yourself. All the while your GPS is ginning for opus, about 6 hours will build and position each of them.

My price on something like that would be somewhere around $1,100. I could see up to 2K, but that would be on the pricey side.

Make sure you bevel the base out when you build the monuments, shape the surface to shed water, and keep the top of the disc about 2" below the ground.

Critical question

Assuming you are going to be responsible for the xyz position, a liability one must consider, $1600 each would be appropriate. Just my opinion.

Have a great weekend!:-)

Local Concrete Guy...

$750 EACH?!?!?!?!?

I just set 9 fence post, 3 feet in the ground in concrete last weekend. The sand, gravel and cement was $63 and I only used a little more than half of it.

Local Concrete Guy...

$750 each for the concrete guy. At $1100 each, the surveyor makes $350 per. Who is the better business man? The concrete guy with no education ($750)? The surveyor with the 4 year degree ($350)?

Local Concrete Guy...

> $750 each for the concrete guy. At $1100 each, the surveyor makes $350 per. Who is the better business man? The concrete guy with no education ($750)? The surveyor with the 4 year degree ($350)?

Why assume "the concrete guy" has no education?

Shop Class as Soulcraft is a great book written by a guy with a PhD in Philosophy from the University of Chicago who repairs motorcycles for a living.

Local Concrete Guy...

Just to push the point across. It's like the one I read somewhere about the uneducated taxicab driver in NYC that makes more than a surveyor. Guess I missed the sarcasm button. That one word made you miss the point of the entire story?

I bet the concrete guys will charge more than the surveyor. Sad but true.

Having now read the other replies, let me elaborate.

A Surveyor should be selling knowledge in addition to labor. If the client is only asking for labor, the surveyor needs to try to educate them. If that fails, then the surveyor should not try to compete with other mere labor estimates.

This will usually come back to bite the surveyor, where it can't come back and harm the concrete laborer.

Apples and Oranges in my view. If they need a surveyor then tell them, if they don't then tell them that also.

Maybe I am reading it wrong but it sure looks to me like that base on the bottom at 6' deep is 34" square and 2.5' deep, and the pedestal attached to that is 10" square by 3.5'

Thats almost 4 yards of concrete for all four monuments which means there are 4 yards of dirt that needs to come out and go somewhere. Im guessing if you bid under 4k you get it.

It's two different monuments. One that is 4' with a seeming curved bigggass manhole cover on it, the other is 6' set in a foundation of sorts. Big differences. Just give them two prices for cost plus, then double your normal labor rate.

Better yet, request clarification on the scope.

Local Concrete Guy...

Talk to a real licensed contractor about the cost of doing business, especially insurance, before you assume he is making a killing on these monuments.

A concrete contractor told me that everyone on his crew thought to themselves, "I am a good concrete guy, I could do this and make more money than the boss pays me." He said they have no idea how expensive it is to be a contractor, insurance, bonds, vehicles, equipment, etc.

By the look of that drawing, I would guess this is for some city/government agency. They come up with the some of the most ridiculous specs for just about anything they can think of.

I've dealt with many of them in this area and most of the time its some official who has never stepped foot outside to see how a "stable" monument is placed. Look at some of the disks that the USGS or NGS set that are considered "C" stability. I could easily set a monument with 1/10th the material cost, that would be just as stable as that monstrosity.

Rant off if its not a city/government spec.;-)

Tell them $2K apiece. Them have them precast with the disk in the top. Rent an auger, then place them yourself and put 3-5 bags of mix in the hole and back fill. Then stamp it and OPUS it.