Pincushion, Where measurements count!!!!

Precise but not accurate.

Looks like a situation we found a few days ago. At four different lot corners we found very old 5/8" bars next to slightly newer 1/2" iron bars. In every case they were touching with the one on the west being the smaller bar.

Pincushion, Where measurements count!!!!>Lets not jump

to conclusions! Now lets all remember the post from the other day where someone stated that they knew a surveyor who puts a pin and cap next to the pins and caps that he holds, just to show that he was there and held those points 🙂

I guess they weren't able to beat yours over far enough to move it to the correct location, so they had to set a new one.

[sarcasm]Its a good thing there was a center mark on your cap, otherwise some moron wouldn't know where to measure to on your monument.[/sarcasm]

Evidently it is true, ya just can't fix stupid.

He clearly had a better EDM than you.

> He clearly had a better EDM than you.

Maybe. Or maybe, as a prominant surveyor in my neck of the woods explained, if the measurements to and between the property corners do not match the record, then an exchange of quit claim deeds is necessary to "correct the record" so that the assessor and the title company's can do their things.

Yep, maybe it is easier to set a new corner than to do all that "quit claiming"?

That's funny, I came across the same situation on an original block corner about 6 weeks ago, with the same cap/stamp on it.

Having worked at that company for three days, I have observed a management ethic that, in my opinion, makes me dubious of their ability to perform to standards. As I recall, the crews were required to complete a minimum number of lot surveys every day (was it ten per day? I do not remember). The production department manager had the most experience of all the draftsmen at the lengthy tenure of 16 months. I was told that I would not have time to log the surveys I signed (that takes me all of a minute to do). Last I knew, the company was owned by an accountant. The title companies love them because they get that piece of paper that they need to close with.

That cap is a sign to me to keep looking because the real corner is surely nearby.

> Having worked at that company for three days, I have observed a management ethic that, in my opinion, makes me dubious of their ability to perform to standards. As I recall, the crews were required to complete a minimum number of lot surveys every day (was it ten per day? I do not remember). The production department manager had the most experience of all the draftsmen at the lengthy tenure of 16 months. I was told that I would not have time to log the surveys I signed (that takes me all of a minute to do). Last I knew, the company was owned by an accountant. The title companies love them because they get that piece of paper that they need to close with.
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> That cap is a sign to me to keep looking because the real corner is surely nearby.

That's also not the first time I've encountered that specific scenario.

> Having worked at that company for three days...

That's all I really needed to read.

> ...The production department manager had the most experience of all the draftsmen at the lengthy tenure of 16 months...

Was his name J.T?

[sarcasm]Poorly done. To give it more prominence, the yellow-capped monument should be sticking up about 3 inches higher than your "inferior" monument.[/sarcasm]

I saw the same several years ago. The same licensee's cap was actually touching another of his caps on a survey. Both were approximately at the same level above grade as well. No way the existence of the original was missed by being too lazy to break out the shovel.

On paper it should have been the exact same corner.

I was hired to open a new office in another city. I felt that my idea of how to implement and maintain minimum standards would conflict with the owners. I knew I was done on day 2. Stayed the extra day to finish a boundary I had started.

I don't recall if the cad manager's name was JT but that sounds right. He was early to mid-20s and I think he had taken some drafting classes at some trade school that advertises on cable channels at night and mid-afternoons. He seemed like a good guy, I didn't know him long enough to rate his technical skills.

I have had one of my own set pins that would not pick up with the locator.

I came back out to do a mortgage inspection after the house was constructed. I was told to make sure all the corners were still in. I didn't find one corner, so I calc-ed the corner again and staked it out. My rodman told me that he was hitting something hard while driving it in. I told him to pull the pin out and look. He said that he saw yellow. We dug around it and found that it was the 3/4" rebar with our yellow cap I had set 6 months earlier. I got the locator back out...nothing. I checked the locator out on the other pin and it sung. My guess is that the pin was demagnetized somehow. o.O

When presented with this situation, and knowing the pedigree of each corner, I've been inclined to take another rod and drive the offending corner out of sight.

I've seen THAT cap, combined with another IR w/cap, from another cost-effective survey company, 0.3'+/- away, and the original 1"IP one foot lower half way between the two.:-S

Apparently, competence is not required in order to attain prominence.