That's the same LS number on each cap, literally touching each other, about 0.1' away from a prominent fence corner. The second crew obviously didn't bother to look. I found them with my boot while waiting for my lackey to catch up, since he was carrying the shovel & metal detector.
From last summer.
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Seems at times some surveyors have some things in common with?ÿ dogs when it comes to pissing on fireplugs.
Not every state files a survey for public records.
In New Jersey, only original calls hold when land is created. IE if I set a cap on a 100 x 100 foot lot in an existing subdivision, that cap represents my best effort to model the original intent of the location of that lot within the overall subdivision based on record control found.
If my field methods were poor or I don't recover enough original evidence, the cap will be set 'wrong.'
A next surveyor has several options when the corner is not a "record monument"
1. Finds the cap and reports the offsets to his calc'd property lines.
2. Finds the cap, reports the offsets and sets his own cap.
3. Does not find the cap because it is outside his search area and sets his cap.
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I've seen that happen before in jobs that I am doing all the house layout's. One PC in particular was too lazy to get out the shovel and metdet.
No longer employed by me. The first thing my employees are required to do, after they drag themselves out of the truck, is to grab the shovel and metal detector.
I know of a quarter section corner where there is a fence post with a marked stone lying against it, and then a capped rebar next to the stone. His plat doesn't explain which he called the true corner.?ÿ Is it the rebar, or is that a witness that he accepted what he found?
I would go to a solid known corner and work my way back into the quarter section. It might seem like a lot of work but will be worth it in the long run.
Bill,
I think some surveyors are deliberately obfuscating their trail.?ÿ
I try to leave a real trail, so it is followable.
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In that case, shouldn't they remove the wrong one? It seems outrageous that you would simply leave multiple "correct" pins.
Setting your own pincushion is a special event!
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The RIGHT answer is at the point of the Mag nail.?ÿ
I have begun marking all corners now by peeing on them.
Works for dogs, so why not.
It was pouring rain yesterday so I didn't get a picture. Not really a pin cushion. A rebar with aluminum cap set in 2001 on a north-south 1/64th line, stamped with the LS number. Then someone wrote 37 on it with magic marker then 2 or 3 tenths away is a plastic stake also with 37 on it. I think the stake is probably a Continuous Forest Inventory point so it's a Forester pin cushion.
edit: come to think of it, the 37 might be the monument number on the Record of Survey map which is sitting on my desk at the office. The plastic stake looks like the ones Foresters use for their CFI points. Don't know why they would set that near the actual monument. I doubt the magic marker has survived since 2001.
Unfortunately I no longer have access to the picture, but the best picture I had was of two YPC's set on opposite sides of a fence corner post, representing the same corner, +/- .4 foot apart by the same surveyor. When I called and asked him about it, he said it was sometimes hard to keep track of the different surveyors he had working for him. In his defense he did good work in the majority of his work, and was embarrassed by it.
These little 2 or 3 tenth pincushions are cute but don??t even compare to the 80 foot pincushion (surveyor rejected a 90 year old 1/16th corner post) or the 900 foot pincushion (surveyor rejected original quarter section corner post in favor of fence line deemed better evidence and convinced superior court of righteousness of his point).
The worst variety involves a stone set in the 1800's for a section center corner and relied upon since then by the landowners and a (calculated--not set) coordinate determined to be the center that is used to determine the "true" corner of some smaller aliquot part. ?ÿNo journey to the area of the center corner was made because the surveyor "knew" there is only one true center and that is where he calculated it to be. ?ÿThe "coordinate" surveyor needs to be stripped of his license and made to pay damages to every landowner in that section who could be damaged by some future surveyor following this guys crap work.
This is a good point. The 2 or three tenth pincushion are typically irrelevant, except to make surveyors look stupid. The ones that do not fit in a picture are much more dangerous.
Not to beat a very old dead horse, but if the BLM does that, is that a pincushion?
It wasn't a center of section, but there was a 1/16th corner that everyone had held for quite a long time, and I went back to it one day and about half a foot away was a shiny new BLM monument.
