Then, place salt at the ones you want to "disappear". Trouble is, some other surveyor, *may* come, find the "VERY OLD and RUSTED rebar, and hold it, thinking it is the older one!
OR,
Just do the Kent quickie dickie thing, and pull all the erroneous markers.
So much simpler....
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In recording States the answer should be available with some research. Which monument has a connection to the original Corner?
It is not in a recording state. The original conveyance does not even call for any monuments.
mattsib79, post: 410968, member: 1138 wrote: I hate finding things like this.
Come on, everyone knows the punched spike is the point, the two pk's are just control positions the chief set, they though the monument was a bit off center and the equipment would get mowed down, fortunately a better chief came along and eye balled the position better.
All jokes a side, this is an education and training issue, just because you need a control point doesn't mean you have to pound a new nail in.
OK, gang. Presuming that the OP cannot identify any one of the marks as the "original", and understanding that he is not in a recording state, should set his own and
a) leave the others in place, or
b) withdraw all the others, leaving only his own?
Mark Mayer, post: 411071, member: 424 wrote: OK, gang. Presuming that the OP cannot identify any one of the marks as the "original", and understanding that he is not in a recording state, should set his own and
a) leave the others in place, or
b) withdraw all the others, leaving only his own?
c) I'll bite, excavate the bent railroad spike its countersunk a bit been around awhile, since its a non recording state, check its position against the deeds you have pulled and OCCUPATION, if the excavated base fits yank it and reset, if not, you got more work to do. Budget aside.
Punt. Tell the client to call a lawyer to fix his title issues.
Holy Cow, post: 411077, member: 50 wrote: Punt. Tell the client to call a lawyer to fix his title issues.
Thanks. I need a new set of pants now.
Happy to be of help.;);)
The original post picture reminds me of the sidewalks and roads where I used to walk outside of the building for the surveying dept. at school. All of the different points that were set by several different students on possibly the first day of any field work (just temp./ not for an actual boundary). It's pretty bad/sad these "pin cushions" are created when a little more work, research or investigation could have prevented them. The J. Lucas book is still on my list to get and read as I continue to study for exams and hopefully become a good surveyor. Looking forward to seeing responses for question above and would be good to see an example of how to plat with 7 different pin cushions found and how to report if none are confirmed as original.
We are a little light on info to make a decision. Are any monuments called for? Have you knocked on doors asking for Surveys? Any longtime owners remember the corner? Have you checked road department files? The list goes on and on. Much of it will be driven by local knowledge and research grunt work.
Further excavation may be needed to determine original monument or oldest rod in place.
That tattered one to the right may have a few bends below the surface and actually the bottom may be near the bottom of the other rod.
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Excavate the surface of the road to a depth of 3 feet and 3 feet wide...
That should cause all of the surface corners to disappear.
Fill in the hole and pack well, then set a new capped corner.
j/k
mattsib79, post: 411063, member: 1138 wrote: It is not in a recording state. The original conveyance does not even call for any monuments.
Well if the description doesn't call for a monument then the corner must be within that tiny bit of unmolested pavement in the picture.
Seriously, if you have any thing to reconstruct the corner from, I'd find which monument seems to be in agreement with the best reconstruction, so long as it's +/- whatever error I'd expect there to be. If it's an old description that looks like it could be +/-10 feet per call, I wouldn't go pin cushioning tenths of feet. If the deed has a pretty precise reconstruction, then maybe none of them are right.
Those old deeds without enough specific information to guide future land owners and surveyors to the intended lines and corners are where the fault begins. Modern surveyors (or more often unsupervised crews) not realizing the error potential in reconstruction of old surveys is where the fault continues.
Since the 2 pk nails look about the same, maybe the surveyor set them close to where he thought the corner would be and shot them, then went to the office and calculated everything, and came back and set the rod with the punch mark without having to get the instrument out. I've done that a lot of times, though I spread them out more than that, when I know about where a corner should be, and it's in a spot where it's a lot of trouble to get the instrument set. And if the rod was straightened up, it might have been in the same spot. Only problem being he forgot to pull up the 2 nails.
eddycreek, post: 411623, member: 501 wrote: Since the 2 pk nails look about the same, maybe the surveyor set them close to where he thought the corner would be and shot them, then went to the office and calculated everything, and came back and set the rod with the punch mark without having to get the instrument out. I've done that a lot of times, though I spread them out more than that, when I know about where a corner should be, and it's in a spot where it's a lot of trouble to get the instrument set. And if the rod was straightened up, it might have been in the same spot. Only problem being he forgot to pull up the 2 nails.
Its a reasonable assumption, and I'm with you on geometry of the nails being terrible as ties, none of this explains the rail road spike a foot to the right, I'd love to see the underlying maps just for kicks.
Add enough points to play connect the dots and form the big dipper..then add Polaris as the actual boundary point..1,000 extra bonus points if you can do it to scale.
That's easy, just localize, the software will make it fit. 😉
BK9196, post: 411624, member: 12217 wrote: Its a reasonable assumption, and I'm with you on geometry of the nails being terrible as ties, none of this explains the rail road spike a foot to the right, I'd love to see the underlying maps just for kicks.
Actually when looked at what you called a railroad spike I saw a rebar with a buggered up aluminum cap. Maybe it is a rr spike.
Here is how real surveyors in Tucson do it. The one on the left is the original tagged iron rebar which matches the brass caps in the street. The one on the right is someone's better idea.
