Cage is useful if you know there will be earthwork happening - such as shoulder grading.
It's not so you can find the control point later...it's so someone else will see it and think it is important enough to avoid.
As far as placing a lath near a marked corner....probably placed in order to write the point number on.
Lath are useful for a back sight when traversing.
We traditionally tie plastic 'red stuff' (not 'pink cloth rosie') around iron bar monuments with my stamped 1288 OLS number facing to the road/to North/or tertiary, facing easiest to see.
Then a 1" X 2" red painted marker, 3' longish, with our firm's stenciled name and phone number within a foot of the bar.
There are others who will also put a plastic washer around the bar.
If the marker is plumb and looks OK, the inference is that the work is ?
Cheers,
Derek
Peter Ehlert, post: 363990, member: 60 wrote: back in the early 70's we ran a random traverse out in the woods, it was a lot split job, probably all hubs and tacks with a lath marked with the point number.
a few weeks later we returned to stake it out. Every Single Traverse Point had been replaced with a fence post and new fence constructed on our traverse lines.I don't remember more but that part I will never forget...
Peter, we had pretty much the same thing happen. Except the hubs were replaced with axles. At least we had sturdy control points to re-run the survey.
As a corollary thought I had to use TWO rolls of flagging to satisfy one client. We had set a corner approximately 500 feet from the front corner on the R/W. We had cut the line between the two, but it was not intervisible. The client called and said he couldn't find the rear corner so I was sent back to re-flag the corner. Again the client called (getting angry at that point) and said we hadn't set that corner and demanded it be marked. I flagged every limb in the area and then tied one end of the roll to the corner and unrolled it all the way to the front corner. He didn't call back so I assume he found it then.
Andy
We construct and use these monstrosities daily on construction sites. Usually if they destroyed it only happens once after my client back-charges the offending
party $500 for re-setting it. B-)
Andy Bruner, post: 364001, member: 1123 wrote: Peter, we had pretty much the same thing happen. Except the hubs were replaced with axles. At least we had sturdy control points to re-run the survey.
As a corollary thought I had to use TWO rolls of flagging to satisfy one client. We had set a corner approximately 500 feet from the front corner on the R/W. We had cut the line between the two, but it was not intervisible. The client called and said he couldn't find the rear corner so I was sent back to re-flag the corner. Again the client called (getting angry at that point) and said we hadn't set that corner and demanded it be marked. I flagged every limb in the area and then tied one end of the roll to the corner and unrolled it all the way to the front corner. He didn't call back so I assume he found it then.
Andy
When I was working for State Parks a local property owner/horse rescue operator had occupied a bunch of our flat State Park lands with temporary corrals. We found the boundary monuments then she kept playing dumb with the Park Ranger who was trying to show her where the boundary is located. He finally, in frustration and a moment of glory, got a roll of yellow caution tape out of his pickup toolbox and tied it to our lath, rolled it out straight to the lath at the next monument, and the next and so on, making a sort of caution tape fence. It was brilliant and obvious and it shut her up. Her stuff was removed soon after that. She had even called the police on a couple of the neighbors who were taking walks in the Park. Our Ranger had to respond a few times and tell the LAPD, it's OK, it's a Park and they aren't trespassing.
I like to paint the top 0.5ft of a 1x1 lath either white enamel or water based orange florescent.
The water based orange florescent is good for grass and saplings. After a mowing, bush hog or rain, it is gone.
And don't get me started on spray paint! ugh.
a red spray paint mark on a sea of grass is a great way to locate your control points.
I will mark the living s**t out of control on a construction site, but tend to tone it down in residential areas. I had found an entire row of property corners (therefore the R.O.W.) that paralleled the water and sewer mains I was staking. Placed a lath next to each one with "Property corner, SAVE" on it.....went back to the site later and they handed me a pile of rebar...."We saved 'em for ya!" SIGH!
Gromaticus, post: 363954, member: 597 wrote: dad would take on every job that called in even if we were really busy ("Yes, we can have that this week - no problem"), we'd often get angry calls a few weeks later when we hadn't started their job.
Wow. I always knew I had a brother out there! Oh wait... must be a different 'dad' since we still buy orange paint by the case.... but dads still promising jobs 'tomorrow' daily! [emoji1]
I once got bored of making my usual orange triangle around my nail in the street, so I grabbed a large, nice shaped leaf off the ground (it was in the fall) and laid it down over the nail. I then sprayed over the leaf and beyond about an inch around, then lifted the leaf leaving a nice leaf shape around the nail. It was so neat that I never did it again since.
Had a full lot survey for a refinance out in one of the "Villages" in west Houston. House and lot worth 2.8 million (then). I put a dot of paint on every tree that we had shot. By dot, I mean a spot about a big as the head of a railroad spike. The owner came out and said he wanted no spots on his trees. I explained that the paint was water-soluble and would be gone in 6 months, but that was not good enough. I went to the nearest grocery store and purchased 3 fairly soft brushes (nylon) and we removed all of the spots in about 3 hours, using water. Lol - lesson learned. The next time we tied flagging around the trees. If we had to remove the flagging, it was a lot quicker than removing paint.
Jack Chiles, post: 364113, member: 24 wrote: . I put a dot of paint on every tree that we had shot.
I frequently get asked to show every tree in the woods on a plan, and of course the only way to do this is to mark each tree as you locate it. Years ago, my dad did one of these by putting a mark on the side of each tree facing the street with a good dose of fluorescent orange spray paint. It worked great! It sure was pretty. But that client still gives me grief over that 20 years later...
I now use chalk, either railroad chalk or powdered chalk using Forestry Suppliers tree swatter, on the side AWAY from view. It's a little messy - I come out of the woods completely covered in colored chalk - but it works well and washes off pretty quickly in the rain.
We once tried spray chalk on trees, but that seemed to last longer than the spray paint!
Gromaticus, post: 364116, member: 597 wrote: I frequently get asked to show every tree in the woods on a plan, and of course the only way to do this is to mark each tree as you locate it. Years ago, my dad did one of these by putting a mark on the side of each tree facing the street with a good dose of fluorescent orange spray paint. It worked great! It sure was pretty. But that client still gives me grief over that 20 years later...
I now use chalk, either railroad chalk or powdered chalk using Forestry Suppliers tree swatter, on the side AWAY from view. It's a little messy - I come out of the woods completely covered in colored chalk - but it works well and washes off pretty quickly in the rain.
We once tried spray chalk on trees, but that seemed to last longer than the spray paint!
the Forestry Suppliers tree swatter works great. I use it when doing tree surveys in Westchester (big dollar homes, heavy duty approval processes) and have never had issues with owners complaining, but use plain old powdered WHITE chalk; much easier to clean up. Some of the colored chalks are very hard to remove.
Ken
Too bad we aren't able to see what we shot on our data collector.;-)
JD Juelson, post: 364035, member: 1125 wrote: I will mark the living s**t out of control on a construction site, but tend to tone it down in residential areas. I had found an entire row of property corners (therefore the R.O.W.) that paralleled the water and sewer mains I was staking. Placed a lath next to each one with "Property corner, SAVE" on it.....went back to the site later and they handed me a pile of rebar...."We saved 'em for ya!" SIGH!
Mine say SURVEY CONTROL DO NOT DISTURB or PROPERTY CORNER DO NOT DISTURB. Better on the semantics than SAVE, but doesn't help much anyways.....
I was taught to make it big and ugly.
When doing boundary work I generally try not to "advertise" my control. No one needs to know where my control is except for me. Sometimes I'll even kick a little dirt over my points, or lay a rock over top. It just leads to confusion by land owners thinking my control is where the line is. so they are better off not seeing them at all.
Years ago I had a client call months after I completed a job asking which nail in which tree was the correct corner. What she had observed were three reference nails we had set to assist in finding the bar again at some point in the future.