A surveying operation can be a Profession seeking to be well compensated for proving excellent survey services or a Business Centered Business seeking to turn a Profession into a commodity for an immediate maximum financial gain . Life is too short to work for the second. If our profession is being eroded, it is substandard practice and not technology to blame. I agree avoid the dark side (Run Forrest Run). You sound like you have ambition and drive. Someone else will be content to cook the french fries.
Unless this company is in a fairly specific type of surveying that most don't do, or the money crazy good, then I'd pass. You might go and visit with one of the surveyors and see if they would be willing to work with you. If so, then it's on that surveyor and not necessarily the company.
There is an attitude, of "If the 'GREAT ONES' don't say it is so, then it aint so". This attitude seems to prevail around some businesses.
If you are a peon, then you just shut up and put up with it. Do your part, and don't even think about MY JOB.
I find this to be in all walks of life. It is just "there". Deal with it. BELIEVE what your eyes see, and your nose smells. Find a place where you can work un hindered. Nothing wrong with that.
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Trundle, post: 401200, member: 12120 wrote: "doesn't believe in Mentoring"
Trundle, post: 401200, member: 12120 wrote: Should I accept a job here, if offered?
The first quote would turn me back out the door. 😎
Mentoring, like quality control, isn't a box you check off. It has to be built into the system of production. Mentoring happens as part of day to day operations or it doesn't happen at all.
Maybe it was said to discourage those who come in chomping at the bit, fixated on getting their license, but aren't really interested in putting the time into the steps to get there.
I'd certainly never outright say something like that. But I make it pretty clear in interviews that there'll be a lot of mundane tasks and work that needs to get done on their journey to licensure.
I've dealt with too many who think that after 3-4 months, they've mastered what you hired them for, and think they're ready for the next step. Problem is, you still need them for what you hired them for, and there may not be any need or opening right now at the next step.
It's tough to find the right person who's willing to put their time in, who you can bring along, teaching/mentoring them, and then there being a place in the company for them to use what they've been learning.
https://surveyorconnect.com/community/members/trundle.12120/&apos ;">Trundle, I agree with the above...
in my experience the "HR Department" is not always in tune with the actual culture of the firm or agency.
often their role is more of a protection against claims of violations of the multitude of regulations.
one firm I worked for was really good, the firm's PLS was excellent and a advocate of learning (he is a partner, but not high on the food chain). unfortunately the HR manager was a real piece of work... her constant meddling pushed me away.
so, if possible, chat with the actual supervisor that you would be working for.
It's hard to know exactly everyone's circumstances, but if I were hungry, and I got offered a job that I could do blindfolded, I would probably take it. Of course I am sure you are looking at other factors. If it means relocating, and you aren't sure you want to make that big of a step for a job that you might quit as soon as you find something better. But taking one job and bringing in some cash while you look for a more ideal job could be worth it. Just because "the company" doesn't mentor, maybe there are people there that are willing to. Maybe the company's culture just doesn't make it possible...I don't know.
Mentoring is a two-way street. I've seen guys that get to go to seminars and walk out after 3:30 because "their 8-hours is up. There are guys on the other end of the spectrum that read and learn regardless of obstacles blocking their way. Of course it is always more ideal to find a job where learning and mentoring are embraced.
https://surveyorconnect.com/community/members/trundle.12120/&apos ;">Trundle, update your profile here... it could get you a job offer.
(as in real name, location, email, telephone, etc)
Trundle, post: 401251, member: 12120 wrote: At the place I just left, the LS would berate me in front of the owner for using the wrong font and then proceed to ignore/avoid me saying "I'll fix it myself, I don't have time to babysit you"(that statement was the reason I left).
Sounds like someone was trying to get you to quit. Hopefully you set him straight before leaving.
I have work with people that had a military background and they had a sarge attitude.
I put up with it short term but long-term I wound up with their job. You can learn a lot from The Jerk but there comes a point where you had enough. If you're patient enough you'll wind up with their job. Or owning their business!
Nate The Surveyor, post: 401318, member: 291 wrote: I have work with people that had a military background and they had a sarge attitude.
I put up with it short term but long-term I wound up with their job. You can learn a lot from The Jerk but there comes a point where you had enough. If you're patient enough you'll wind up with their job. Or owning their business!
Others are used to people not saying/doing anything, many respect someone that will call their bluff.
Any company that doesn't mentor is going to be ****ed when someone quits. It makes every single employee a "Key Person" - the only one that knows how to perform their set of tasks. Stupidest business model I've ever heard of!
Trundle, post: 401236, member: 12120 wrote: I could do this job in my sleep. I've worked as a production tech before, where I did everything (including boundaries). I understand the billable part, and am not worried about it.
For me, the "mentoring" part isn't about seminars or hand holding...it's about understanding why this line was held instead if that. Or how you arrived at the boundary solution, given an ambiguous deed with a disturbed monument, or something along those lines.
That sounds more like collaboration to me. I rarely hold any solution on a tough boundary without discussing it with my fellow PLS in the office. we both learn on every project. if the youngin is in the office, I will show him our solution.
Jon Collins, post: 401442, member: 11135 wrote: That sounds more like collaboration to me. I rarely hold any solution on a tough boundary without discussing it with my fellow PLS in the office. we both learn on every project. if the youngin is in the office, I will show him our solution.
That's all I'm looking for. But so far it's been elusive (in this state).
Trundle, post: 401522, member: 12120 wrote: That's all I'm looking for. But so far it's been elusive (in this state).
Can I ask which state?
Earlier he said Indiana