No,no,no,no,no,no,no

Hey - he was wearing a hard hat and vest....

I've done it before. I didn't think it was that particularly dangerous (unless they are driving fast).

> I've done it before. I didn't think it was that particularly dangerous (unless they are driving fast).

Its all about your risk tolerance, but.. It is specifically spelled out in our safety policy as well as being against state law. We have a zero tolerance policy and had that been my guys they would have been terminated, no ifs, ands or buts. When I first started, they let a mechanic go, on the spot, for leaving the key in a lock that he used to lockout/tagout a piece of equipment that he was working on. He was a 15 yr guy. Their risk tolerance is pretty low.

They make ATVs and UTVs for that.

I would doubt that having a safety harness connected to the camper shell would have helped that much in the end.

:rain:

Back in the day I surveyed out of a van with a O-Crap handle bolted above the rear doors and 10" wide steel step bolted to the bumper.

All the previous chiefs loved it. I never felt comfortable with one hand on the total station, one on the bar, and the steel tripod points potentially skidding across the steel step.

Steve

You guys have big pockets...whenever you roll into town for a construction project the bottom feeding personal injury/workman's comp lawyers probably start to salivate.

If you don't enforce the safety rules, the courts and L&I, will consider the inaction as a blessing of the unsafe behavior. This includes termination of repeat offenders.

> I've done it before. I didn't think it was that particularly dangerous ..
I have, too. But you just can't get away with that sort of stuff on a big dollar public project. There is just a different state of mind at work.

This is true, but here, we really do have a safety culture where it doesn't feel like they just don't want to get sued, but more that they actually care about people not getting hurt. We work in a very dangerous environment and our co-workers are almost like family. Unfortunately we lost two of these family members yesterday. One in Seattle and one in NOLA. The young man in NOLA is actually in my district and although I do not know him personally, it has everybody in the entire district shaken up. It is a sombering reminder of just how dangerous it is out there whether it is big risks or small risks. Stay safe.

> neither the driver or the rider are allowed on site anymore.
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Too harsh, he11 they was trying to move quickly and make boss man more money

A good talkin to would be more appropriate

Reminds me of getting harassed in a open field for not having on a hardhat.... ok ok I'll put it on :-X

I'm guilty, like many of us, of riding on the tailgate or similar things. In some cases, it is probably okay. But the longer I work, the more I think that it is best just to not do these things.

The problem is that if these things are allowed, the crews don't always take the idea of being safe seriously. And then, when they are on a job that mandates safe behavior, they may not be used to thinking of that and end up doing something that causes problems.

Prior to becoming a full-time surveyor I worked in a production facility. There was all kinds of equipment that would chew you up and spit you out the other side without thinking twice if you weren't 100% safe 100% of the time. It was nice to be constantly reminded that the boss didn't want you hurt (or killed) because that wasn't cool. We had safety meetings regularly, and people were recognized when they took the time to be safe and to help others be safe. No one every got reprimanded for slowing production if it meant they were doing things safely.

So I've taken this mindset to my career as a surveyor. I've stood on the roads with traffic zipping by and I've known at least 3 surveyors that have been hit (one was killed) doing things that I've done. So I take the idea of safety seriously.

If nothing else, those guys deserve a solid reprimand.

CN Rail has a no tolerance policy with regard to safety. A while back we had a crew doing layout in one of their yards. End of the day, they're all packed up and in the truck filling out paperwork. They decided to switch places so that he helper could drive back to the office while the chief was finishing up. John is tall, so he takes off his hardhat in the truck and of course he didn't put it on to walk around from one side to the other.

One of the yard employees reported him. We got a call immediately informing us that he is fired from the site and cannot ever work on CN property again.