> Sounds a whole lot like someone is involved in the Knights Templar or the Freemasons, thus the resemblance to the Oak Island search.
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> Careful with what you say, you never know who is listening...perhaps you have already said too much.
I'm tellin' ya, it's time to check the invisible map on the back of the Declaration of independence! The answers are there, and we can all count on them to be perfect and correct because that map was done by an LPS...His invisible stamp is on there too!
I'm a treasure hunter....(I'm Gold Digger AKA IMAUDIGGER)
So the whole notion of connecting a treasure hunt with surveying fascinates me. However, I am one of the skeptics that think someone here is pulling everybody's leg.
We will measure anything for money or two gold pieces . But you are being to coy for this to be legit . We cant help without all the info. There are a bunch of smart people on here and some probably could solve the mystery . Give more info.
message sent...thanks
i thought i had made it clear...i need to mark the boundary of the land covered by the crossing point of this set of coordinates..to the ending number...if i have 22.22.222N and 22.22.222W..take either N numbers or W numbers.go up or down 1 single digit to the far right 22.22.22{2} the number in parenthesis..once the location is plotted and marked, i have to work within the confines of the area of the exact numbers...if the last number {in parenthesis} of either coordinates changes up or down by the value of 1, its all over...to the minute its what around a rough 100 ft square ?...to the second maybe 10 ft square ?..i dont know for certain but i could look it up again although im sure you know the distances well..i need this crossing point, and the ground it encompasses, down to the last number, marked clearly and correctly...some say impossible...some say the press of a button..i'm not a surveyor by any means but i say it can be done..they can survey a line through a mountain, start at opposite ends digging, and meet centerpoint within the mountain within mere inches of each other then in my book this should be quite possible...and again friend...not a troll
cant give it all...i could give a bit more...maybe when i return next week....you are in nc...its a very complex situation..
In all seriousness, really
maybe you should...i'll be back first of next week myself..no computer access till i return...will get in touch then...thanks
engineers, military and naval, surveyors, mathmeticians, mining engineers, genious, all wrapped into a few people
people take things like they please...especially after watching national treasure...just an old historian doing historical research that came across something of interest and trying to nail it down...nothing more...well maybe a little more 😉 but no need in getting all excited though..and pirates more or less never left treasure maps i thought everyone knew that..
> Yes Mark, and don't forget the rules of the road in terms of controlling anything pertaining to boundary law: natural feature calls, distance,witness points, bearings and very low on the totem pole is coordinates. I know I missed a couple, but coordinates are last because they are based on the other stuff.
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I don't know if he is talking about boundary. I was only trying to answer the question. If he is looking for a pot of gold, then the actual gold would be the monument, now, wouldn't it? The coordinates as well as any other piece of evidence is to help you find the original monument.;-)
Welcome aboard PaperJam. And I agree....I think the best accuracy he can get is relative to other known points. I imagine hiring a good surveyor, and giving him all the information he has will get him as close as can be done.
Pirates? I didn't mention pirates. Anybody who has read lost treasure stories, knows that treasure maps generally are not prepared well enough to last the test of time anyway. Trees burn/rot, rivers flood, land use changes, landscapes change.
There is an Oak Island theory that Shakespeare's works are purported to contain cryptic Freemason clues that point to a buried object that is booby trapped. It is supposed to be a treasure map that will last the test of time due to it's form.
If you are truthfully out there simply as a historian uncovering something that you feel will change history as it is written, then secrecy probably is not the best idea. In my mind all it would do is leave your work open to scrutiny.
You're an idiot. The guy pouring over the deeds, is the knowledgeble one, not the quickie and gone.
You pay for what you get. Also, 140 years ago, and Lat & Long is going to be suspect. Volumes of court data exist over the differences in lat and long and it wasn't even standardized until 1927, so you figure what the hell they were working with or from.
Any point you find is suspect until you retrace them. So, if you're really as worried as your initial thesis would suggest, then you spend the money, hire a good competent surveyor FROM THE AREA THAT YOU'RE WORKING IN, so they can minimize any learning curve and probably know more that the average bear.
Anything less only proves my initial thought.
> a standard gps device, whether costing 150 or 899 or anywhere in between is but a childs toy and can not produce repeatable readings on any exact spot...been there
Mine cost 30k and WILL produce repeatable readings, when used correctly.
If you have already located 8 of the 9 coordinates and are sure they are what you are looking for, a surveyor should be able to locate these 9 points with GPS and obtain coordinates whether they match yours or not and PROBABLY figure the location of your last set of coordinates relative to the others located. However, as others have stated, the precision of the locaton of your last point will be directly proportional to the precision of the location of your first 8.
> ...The guy pouring over the deeds, is the knowledgeble one, not the quickie and gone....
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He's asking questions from a bunch of guys that respect doing a thorough job 'pouring over deeds' and $1,000 isn't an outrageous price for a quality survey. If he wants precision, he'll have to pay for it, even if it's relating a coordinate location from 1870.
I remember that story.
It was analyzed by an actual NGS surveyor in an article.
When Datum was "corrected up" the Point was still like 1800ft "off".
Which was spectacularly fine accuracy in the day.
I believe they used time as relayed by (the not too nearby) railroad telegraph and astronomic observations to figure the Longitude (and Latitude).
They did not use GPS.
I think this poster is a prank.
Here is article:
(noted an error in it. The guy refers to "parallel of Longitude".
No such creature. Parallel of Latitude maybe but it should be "Meridian of Longitude". Plus they made a typo using "degreed" rather than "decreed".
Those that can do, those that can't are journalism majors )
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FOUR CORNERS - Lovers of faraway places, faraway facts or faraway family vacations can all rest easy now.
"The Four Corners Monument that everybody goes and visits is exactly where it should be," said Randy Zanon, chief cadastral surveyor for Colorado's Bureau of Land Management. "That monument was set in 1875, it has been adopted by all four states, it's been decreed by the Supreme Court in 1925 that that is the monument of the Four Corners."
Cadastral surveying is boundary surveying of the federal interest lands and has been around since 1785.
On Monday, the Associated Press and a Salt Lake City newspaper reported the monument was 2.5 miles east of where the four states actually meet.
Zanon says legally according to the Supreme Court ruling, the marker is where it's supposed to be and will never be moved from the point where Colorado, Arizona, Utah and New Mexico meet. But technically, it's slightly off.
The National Geodetic Survey, an agency that maps and charts various locations, mostly for transportation reasons, agrees that it's slightly off, but not off by as much as 2.5 miles.
"The 2.5 mile discrepancy that was originally reported is not accurate," said David Doyle, chief geodetic surveyor for the National Geodetic Survey. "At most, the difference between the location of the monument and where the actual four states should meet geographically is approximately 1,800 feet."
"At the time the surveying was done and the monument was established, the surveyor couldn't take into account the size and shape of the Earth, as geodetic surveyors do now. However, for the time and the equipment available to him then, this was as precise of a location as could've been established," Doyle said.
If the Four Corners conundrum was news to you, as it was to us, it's nothing new to the surveying community. It's been talked about in those circles for more than 100 years.
"We've known that that monument has not been at the parallel of longitude that was degreed in state statutes since shortly after it was established in 1875, over 120 years," Zanon said.
So the next time you're at the monument, just forget the 1,800 feet detail and remember, while there's no denying the math, it's the maps that matter.
"I just want to assure everybody that's visited the monument or that's going to visit the monument in the future that when you stand there, you will be at all four states," Zanon said.
(Copyright KUSA*TV with the Associated Press, All Rights Reserved)
Yes we are in NC , the Triad .. Everything we do is complex .
Heck, according to your avatar, you are the right guy for the job!?
Reminds of the movie "it's a mad, mad, mad, mad world"... The treasure is under the W!
