Nice looking control point but........................

http://www.asprs.org/a/society/divisions/ppd/State_Licensure_Map/State_Licensure_Map.html

DDSM:beer:

You would take your complaint to the Board that has jurisdiction where the violation occurred. The Board having jurisdiction over where the guy is from has no jurisdiction over what he does in other jurisdictions. However, some states have a provision in the law that they can take action based upon final actions by licensing boards and courts of other jurisdictions relative to licensed practice. In this case, if the CO Board issues a citation to the tech, if he falls under the jurisdiction of the TX Board when in TX by virtue of having his LSIT certificate there, they might be authorized to censure him there based upon the citation by the CO Board.

That's a really good question about the size of the bar used for a control point. I'm not sure we have any such size specification for anything but a permanent boundary monument. Common sense, or the lack of it, isn't a standard violation.

By my reading of the Colorado Professional Land Surveyors Practice Act it's not clear that stockpile volumetric measurements fall under the statutory practice of land surveying.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-K5DhxXxJZbc0ZzancwQi1CclE/view?pref=2&pli=1

vern, post: 357161, member: 3436 wrote: Wish I had taken pictures of what I witnessed today, an unlicensed technician setting a control point for stockpile scanning

I doubt setting a control point, good or substandard, is a violation in any jurisdiction. Offering and performing the scanning services may or may not be depending on the state rules, and performing surveying services by using substandard monuments may also be.

What exactly does this "monument" represent? I'm sure once the pile is gone there will be no need for anything permanent. I can't see wasting a 3" cap on a rebar four inches long. Does he take his control with him when he leaves?

mattharnett, post: 357209, member: 6458 wrote: What exactly does this "monument" represent? I'm sure once the pile is gone there will be no need for anything permanent. I can't see wasting a 3" cap on a rebar four inches long. Does he take his control with him when he leaves?

maybe he heard the professionals set 2-bit rebar, so he ran the math and viola(sp check me cow), an AC on a. 2-bit rebar....

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Is measuring volume licensed? (Insert pic of very large human here)

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Holy Cow, post: 357213, member: 50 wrote: Voila. A viola is a musical instrument.

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I don't think this is actionable in NY... Most construction companies here have their own survey staff, and very few actually have licensed surveyors. Also, if it's just scanner control for registration (must not like the simplicity of cloud to cloud or traversing) then it really doesn't need to last for more than maybe an hour. If it were me, I'd have probably slammed in a dock spike and taken it with me when I left so that it didn't end up in a tire, depends on terrain though.

In LA this would fall under the purvue of engineering or land surveying. If he wasn't working for a PE or PLS then he would be in violation in LA. Not familiar with CO laws and rules.

James Fleming, post: 357179, member: 136 wrote: By my reading of the Colorado Professional Land Surveyors Practice Act it's not clear that stockpile volumetric measurements fall under the statutory practice of land surveying.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-K5DhxXxJZbc0ZzancwQi1CclE/view?pref=2&pli=1

But geomatics does, it is a very shady area. I think I might question the board for clarification.

mattharnett, post: 357209, member: 6458 wrote: What exactly does this "monument" represent? I'm sure once the pile is gone there will be no need for anything permanent. I can't see wasting a 3" cap on a rebar four inches long. Does he take his control with him when he leaves?

He claimed that he would use it for every time he returned. I pointed out it will probably get evicted by frost.

I would think/hope that taking measurements in the field would amount to the need for a professional license. I mean, you need to have the technical knowledge to do things like that correctly, and it might be in someone's best interest to hire a surveyor to take measurements, because that is possibly things that a surveyor has better knowledge of, but measuring volumes? how is that land surveying?

I don't know how to interpret the statutes and can't tell you if this technically falls under professional land surveying, but I would think not from a practical standpoint. I will agree that many other professions think that kind of work is "all" we do. An engineer kind of thinks of us as sort of measuring technicians that stake their work or do topog for them, but that perception is what keeps everyone thinking we are some kind of engineer's laborer.

Dan B. Robison, post: 357164, member: 34 wrote: http://www.asprs.org/a/society/divisions/ppd/State_Licensure_Map/State_Licensure_Map.html

DDSM:beer:

The attached PDF was downloaded from the ASPRS website.
Disclaimer: This map represents the ASPRS best effort at determining current State licensing requirements for photogrammetry and related remote sensing services. This map is not a definitive interpretation of State laws or requirements. It is intended as a resource to assist photogrammetric mapping and remote sensing professionals in determining what those specific requirements may be.
For the purposes of this map, at a minimum, photogrammetric mapping services are defined as topographic mapping depicting the authoritative location of features or terrain using photogrammetry or related remote sensing technologies. Some states have a much broader definition of photogrammetric mapping to include GIS and similar services. Before providing geospatial mapping services in any State, practitioners must check with the appropriate State Board to make a final determination of which licensing requirements apply to the specific type of work that will be performed

In Arkansas we have something called "Surveying measurement certification"

"Surveying measurement certification" means providing the professional service of certification or sealing of maps, documents, digital files, or other data to verify that the maps, documents, digital files, or other data are authoritative professional determinations based on accepted methods and principles of surveying measurement or analysis representing or listing the following types of surveying measurements:
(A) The configuration or contour of the earth's surface or the position of fixed objects on the earth's surface; (B) The position or elevation of a survey boundary, control monument, or reference point; and (C) The alignment or elevation of a fixed work embraced within the practice of professional engineering

DDSM:beer:

I suspect if some of you guys had your way, GPS on benchmarkers, geocachers, waymarkers and recreational GNSS users would be fined by the board. I'd better hide all my survey grade receivers before the Gestapo arrives.

I suppose anyone can measure anything, no PLS needed. But what exactly is the deliverable? If it is a letter or document certifying some sort of measurement, you could be moving into geomatics.

In CA he'd be in clear violation if he was performing the service for another party, e.g. a client. The only scenarios I can imagine in which he'd not be in violation are if he was doing the work for his own amusement or for academic research, neither of which seems likely.