My brother in-law owns 2 lots....they are abutting, they are under the same tax i.d.?ÿ ?ÿ ?ÿ the town is telling him he needs a CSM however a CSM being a long and expensive process: I am wondering if a lot line adjustment would be more suitable..... he is planning on putting in a pool...... my thought was that if you can do a Lot line adjustment and be in the setbacks it should fly?
No idea what a csm is.
Tell the city to stick their csm (whatever that may be) where the sun don't shine.?ÿ Or leave their csm expenses and increased property taxes and move to an unregulated rural area with far lower taxes.
The poster says he is in Wisconsin and I find this:
https://doa.wi.gov/DIR/_WI_Platting_Manual-Certified_Survey_Maps.pdf
In Montana we have a Lot Aggregation exemption. Still requires an Amended Plat and survey but no Subdivision or Sanitation Review is required. Some claim you don't need a survey, just refer to the old Plat
It would clearly be a lot line adjustment here in the county, an administrative replat in the city. Similar costs. But these things are dependent on local/state rules and regulations.?ÿ
Here we just do it.?ÿ Buy this.?ÿ Buy that which adjoins.?ÿ Buy something else that adjoins.?ÿ You own three tracts.?ÿ No big deal.
Here northern NY State I've had 2 separate clients in different counties that need to merge two adjoining deed parcels. The planning boards are calling it a subdivision,?ÿ when it is a merger or lot line adjustment. They basically just want a single plat showing one merged parcel and a new description.?ÿ
First, the OP should allow for the fact that this is a global website, and there are as many local regulations and acronyms as there are locals. So please pardon us for being a little slow on the uptake of "CSM". And for future inquisitors, please provide your location when asking questions of this nature.
As for the specific question. It seems that these "CSM" are similar to what is called a "Partition Plat" in Oregon and a "Short Plat" in the state of Washington.
You say that your brother's lot is 2 surveyed lots, but 1 tax lot. What that means is 2 lots from a surveyor perspective, 1 lot from a planner perspective. Since it is planners that you are applying for a permit from, you are going to have to accept things from that perspective. It's 1 lot. You can't do a Lot Line Adjustment because you have no dividing line to adjust.?ÿ So that won't work. You (ie/ your brother)?ÿ need to subdivide your 1 lot.?ÿ And "CSM" is the process for that in your area.
I sympathize with your plight. It is a hassle. But you have to ask just why these 2 lots where amalgamated into 1 tax lot in the first place. That doesn't just happen. The land owner of the day had to apply for that, and presumably they had a reason to want to do that. Probably to facilitate some building permit application of the day, or maybe to gain some tax advantage. Having enjoyed the benefits of that for these last years, it is now time to pay the piper.
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In Montana, the Revenue Department regularly combined 2 or more lots into 1 "Tax Lot", so they don't have to mail out several tax notices. One notice will do it. You have to go to the Deed to determine if they're 1 lot or 2 separate lots. They often do it on farm land. You have to research how the parcel was patented. If it's patented as the SE1/4SE1/4, SE1/4SW1/4 it's one tract and you can't use a BL adjustment. If it's patented as the SE1/4SE1/4; SE1/4SW1/4, it's two tracts and you can do a BL adjustment. The comma or semicolon is important.
You can not build a dwelling over a subdivision lot line. It has to be aggregated. An Aggregation is exempted from Subdivision and Sanitation Review.
In Montana, the Revenue Department regularly combined 2 or more lots into 1 "Tax Lot", so they don't have to mail out several tax notices. One notice will do it. You have to go to the Deed to determine if they're 1 lot or 2 separate lots. They often do it on farm land. You have to research how the parcel was patented. If it's patented as the SE1/4SE1/4, SE1/4SW1/4 it's one tract and you can't use a BL adjustment. If it's patented as the SE1/4SE1/4; SE1/4SW1/4, it's two tracts and you can do a BL adjustment. The comma or semicolon is important.
You can not build a dwelling over a subdivision lot line. It has to be aggregated. An Aggregation is exempted from Subdivision and Sanitation Review.
That??s how it is here. Legal lots and tax lots??2 different things.
I refer to each tract as it is acquired by a name.?ÿ The Appraiser's office treats them as individual tracts here as there are no setbacks, etc. that somehow limit their use.?ÿ In one case I have a tract purchased in 1995 that adjoins a tract that I purchased in 2015, which then adjoins a tract purchased in 2011.?ÿ These three parcels are still three parcels.?ÿ I don't plan to move or simply purchase property anywhere that tries to tell me what I can do with my land.?ÿ BTW, the name I use for each tract relates to either the immediate prior owner or an owner from the days of my youth.?ÿ There are only two exceptions and they relate to a fitting descriptive term such as Flat Rock.
There is big time purchaser of rural land in our area and several other States who knows each tract they own by the name of the previous owner.?ÿ Sometimes they have to add a qualifier, such as North Smith or South Smith.?ÿ They began this practice about 1974 and have followed this pattern on hundreds of tracts to date.?ÿ Their employees must learn these terms rapidly as the manager will tell them they are needed at the Duling Place and get there ASAP.
I refer to each tract as it is acquired by a name.?ÿ
Such as "the old Haney place".
Tell the city to stick their csm (whatever that may be) where the sun don't shine.?ÿ Or leave their csm expenses and increased property taxes and move to an unregulated rural area with far lower taxes.
I agree. We should never let any high falooten planners tell us how to develop our cities.?ÿ
