Spent better part of 2 days in San Francisco. While walking around the skyscrapers I couldn't find a single property monument. I did find a few pk nails, 2 crosses sawn into he sw and a couple of municiple bm's, but not a single LS stamped tag or cap. I must have lost my ability to locate corners 'cause I cannot imagine such high value propery to be completely uncontrolled.
Ain't the buildings controlling themselves?
You would not believe what else those san fran ciscans do.
They have lost more than the old landmarks...
A lot of SF boundaries are marked by +, L or T cuts on curbs, or crow's feet on building corners. Until fairly recently, the requirement to tag monuments was widely ignored.
I was in S.F. this past weekend for the Municipal Transportation Authority's Heritage Festival. Got to see a lot of old transit and my ride on the Powell/Hyde line took me past the location where they were filming The Antman sequel. I noticed a cross cut in concrete sidewalk and a cast iron monument vault but I didn't shoot any pictures of monuments or try to open the vault lid.
The "L" signifies the parcel that was being surveyed. When the next surveyor comes and surveys the parcel next door they would add the cut to make a "T" to signify both of the parcels had been surveyed in the past. The historical survey archives from the late 1800's and 1900's show this occurring.
I believe the crosses were set later for the property line extensions to the TC.
The vault is on the southeast corner of Vicente and 24th, just down the block from Riverside Seafood Restaurant where I had brunch with my aunt and uncle.
@37.7389663,-122.4807865,3a,37.7y,67.6h,71.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sM_TOy_DRTBn4Gf7SNhrI4A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en"> https://www.google.com/maps/ @37.7389663,-122.4807865,3a,37.7y,67.6h,71.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sM_TOy_DRTBn4Gf7SNhrI4A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
If the building is zero-offset to the property line, might building corner itself might be the property corner. (?) Maybe the PLS should stamp his number in the face of the building by the corner.
I was in NC a few weeks ago and would walk by this one most mornings.
It would be a monument that would last probably till January here, but I guess it's SOP out there to set them:
Made me wonder what dept does these surveys, out west of course I usually deal with the BLM or USFS.
This is at a Federal Courthouse.
MightyMoe, post: 446602, member: 700 wrote: I was in NC a few weeks ago and would walk by this one most mornings.
It would be a monument that would last probably till January here, but I guess it's SOP out there to set them:
Made me wonder what dept does these surveys, out west of course I usually deal with the BLM or USFS.
This is at a Federal Courthouse.
that would be the department of cheap nationwide ALTAs: http://www.ussurveyor.com/
btw- i can leave my desk right now and in about 10 minutes walk by about 3 dozen of kent's mags and shiners that have been in place for decades. (texas concrete, like everything else here, apparently works better than everyone else's...)
flyin solo, post: 446604, member: 8089 wrote: that would be the department of cheap nationwide ALTAs: http://www.ussurveyor.com/
Their ad would trigger SWMBO.
"Do you know where we survey at"
Fingers on the chalkboard.
I figured U.S. Surveyor was some eastern version of the government surveyors I know. Guess not!!!!
And a Federal Courthouse:(
MightyMoe, post: 446606, member: 700 wrote: Their ad would trigger SWMBO.
"Do you know where we survey at"
Fingers on the chalkboard.
I figured U.S. Surveyor was some eastern version of the government surveyors I know. Guess not!!!!
And a Federal Courthouse:(
hahahaha. good thing your SWMBO and my SWMBO aren't acquainted. (drives me nuts too and is a minor source of stress in our house. because, you know- i don't have any quirks that might be irritating to her.)
I am not sure how it works in San Fransisco, but in Seattle the downtown properties are all referenced by centerline monuments. Once you connect the CL's and offset the rights of way, you divide the lots per plat. Since almost all the skyscrapers downtown are zero offset, the centerline monument IS also the property line monument.
I assumed that is how it was done in the downtown area of all major cities.
flyin solo, post: 446604, member: 8089 wrote: that would be the department of cheap nationwide ALTAs: http://www.ussurveyor.com/
I like the 800 number on the "monument"...stay classy San Diego
James Fleming, post: 446609, member: 136 wrote: I like the 800 number...stay classy San Diego
i will say this: relative to the egg basket of national cheapo firms that do surveys i review on a regular basis, this guy's stuff is reliably pretty good. how that operational model works is beyond me, but he clearly actually has crews on the ground (as evidenced by moe's picture). i'm dead serious when i say that i suspect a number of these firms are doing google earth surveys.
flyin solo, post: 446610, member: 8089 wrote: i will say this: relative to the egg basket of national cheapo firms that do surveys i review on a regular basis, this guy's stuff is reliably pretty good. how that operational model works is beyond me, but he clearly actually has crews on the ground (as evidenced by moe's picture). i'm dead serious when i say that i suspect a number of these firms are doing google earth surveys.
US Surveyor as contacted my boss before to sub-contract out all the fieldwork (and research).
I would assume he probably does that on a regular basis in various states.
flyin solo, post: 446610, member: 8089 wrote: i will say this: relative to the egg basket of national cheapo firms that do surveys i review on a regular basis, this guy's stuff is reliably pretty good. how that operational model works is beyond me, but he clearly actually has crews on the ground (as evidenced by moe's picture). i'm dead serious when i say that i suspect a number of these firms are doing google earth surveys.
Just doing the eyeball thing the monument looked well placed.
I saw a few other ones in the area, old buildings, zero lot lines, I'd imagine it's not too difficult to survey in that downtown area.
But then again, I have no local knowledge.
It a bit of a shock to see that kind of monument being used, a six month lifespan from what I'm used too.
Trundle, post: 446613, member: 12120 wrote: US Surveyor as contacted my boss before to sub-contract out all the fieldwork (and research).
I would assume he probably does that on a regular basis in various states.
that's what i figured too- just not sure how anybody pays rent in that scenario.
MightyMoe, post: 446614, member: 700 wrote: I saw a few other ones in the area, old buildings, zero lot lines, I'd imagine it's not too difficult to survey in that downtown area.
Yup...take a plat from the 1930's, find some corners set last year a couple of hundred feet away, project the plat dimensions up the street, and call a seventy year old building 0.16' over the property line. see it all the time, easy peasy.
James Fleming, post: 446616, member: 136 wrote: Yup...take a plat from the 1930's, find some corners set last year a couple of hundred feet away, project the plat dimensions up the street, and call a seventy year old building 0.16' over the property line. see it all the time, easy peasy.
I have to stop, I looked up the deed, it references a tax lot, an older book and page, but no where does it reference the plat. Then there is a metes and bounds description inserted that basically described the entire block which I presume is the block of an old plat in the city center. The deed also references an ALTA survey.
Here the deed would just say Block X of Plat Y and that would be it. You could file a ROS or even an exhibit plat attached to the deed, but I not metes and bounds of lots and blocks; and a Tax # in a deed?
Every place is different I guess.
Looks to me like he did a fine job, he calls out ties to monuments in the area outside his survey, basically he puts the map in his legal.
