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jhframe
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As I was perusing the quarterly magazine put out by the CA Board (BPELSG), I glanced through the listing of enforcement actions and spotted an unusual yet familiar name.?ÿ About 20 years ago a guy with the same last name got into a lot of (expensive!) hot water for not filing Records of Survey when required (among other things).?ÿ I looked up the guy currently in trouble and saw that he works for the same outfit and has a license that was issued about 4 years ago.?ÿ Perhaps unethical behavior is hereditary.

 
Posted : December 14, 2021 3:38 pm
RADAR
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Posted : December 14, 2021 4:22 pm
dave-karoly
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There's a lot of people with that last name in the database.

 
Posted : December 14, 2021 4:30 pm
holy-cow
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Heimie Derturdflinger is licensed in California, too???? ???œ ???œ ???œ ???œ?ÿ

 
Posted : December 14, 2021 5:24 pm
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I began working for dad in 1972 at the age of 12 and owe everything I have to him. When I look back at those old files, his mastery of the subject is evident, and he had many years of experience. Where he and I are quite different is that at some point, he stopped continuing his education, and that eventually caused big problems. I believe and side with those who also believe, that there is always more to learn and that we must be able to show - not say - that we are still learning.

 
Posted : December 14, 2021 5:25 pm

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Problem I'm having is narrowing down which name(s) you are referring to ???œ ???œ ???œ?ÿ

 
Posted : December 14, 2021 5:40 pm
Norman_Oklahoma
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The Portland area has such a family. Great Granddad was a 2 digit license number and was reliable. Grandad did OK. The state board is well acquainted with Dad and his sons.

 
Posted : December 14, 2021 6:00 pm
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We had a third generation surveyor here who took the test, but failed.?ÿ He took it at least one more time, if not two, before he passed.?ÿ When he did they give him the number they had "reserved" for him at the first test date, so he appears to have been licensed longer than reality.?ÿ He's listed as passing the actual year he did, but the number he has was in a series from years earlier.

 
Posted : December 14, 2021 6:19 pm
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Posted by: @dave-karoly

There's a lot of people with that last name in the database.

But only one with a "special attachment."

 
Posted : December 14, 2021 6:58 pm
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There's been several generational lineages of surveyors in OK.?ÿ Most of them are stand up people.?ÿ But I could name three or four parent-child teams whose drawback laden legacies speak for themselves.?ÿ I might go so far to say there are a few licenses that weren't worth the paper they were printed upon.?ÿ But given enough time karma and the State Board has weeded out them all.

I remember one man who shared a first and last name with his father, a surveyor.?ÿ Upon his father's demise he relocated to the opposite side of the state and set up shop with his deceased father's license.?ÿ It actually took a number of years before the ruse was exposed and halted.?ÿ But by then there was a lot of damage in his wake.?ÿ ?ÿ

 
Posted : December 14, 2021 7:04 pm

dave-karoly
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We have William Kimbal Dodge III and IV. I havenƒ??t followed III but have followed IV. IV was a good surveyor as best I can tell. His favored 1ƒ? rebar with tag on top will be right where he said he set it in some pretty difficult terrain.

 
Posted : December 14, 2021 7:09 pm
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Speaking of names, in my neck of the hills there was a surveyor by the name of D.B. Cooper, the name makes me smile every time I say it, and when I'm retracing one of his surveys, I know I'm on a good survey. Considering a lot of his work was done in the 40's and 50's on the slopes of mountainous terrain, the accuracy is impressive.

One project in particular I was retracing a section line starting on the bank of a creek from a section corner, then up and over two steep ridges and partially up a third to the quarter corner, and there was the monument as described within 0.5 feet of the calculated position. His crew must have been well versed in chaining up and down slopes.

I was obviously impressed;?ÿI'm still talking about to this day.

It would be outstanding if all of the surveys I retrace were executed with the same level of care as his.

 
Posted : December 14, 2021 9:20 pm
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@dave-lindell Interesting.?ÿ That must of been quite a while ago for that to happen.

 
Posted : December 15, 2021 4:59 pm
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We had a surveyor in Missouri went to prison for fraud. Junior of the same name kept the family business going in Dads absence. Real piece of work those two..

 
Posted : December 15, 2021 9:41 pm
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@thebionicman?ÿ

Like a piece in a punch bowl?

????

 
Posted : December 16, 2021 12:04 am

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Thereƒ??s a certain outfit operating within the confines of this stateƒ??s borders that now has a III with his license. All work Iƒ??ve ever seen out of this outfit bears the stamp and signature of I, though he is a nonagenarian, and both II and III are licensed. By all available evidence, said firm has in excess of 80 employees, and all of their work Iƒ??ve seen over the past decade would summarily suggest they perform many google maps-based ALTAs.

I suspect grandpa is probably entirely oblivious to the fact that digital signatures even exist.

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likewise, thereƒ??s a firm here locally that was started by Sr.- a notorious crank who consistently produced descriptions that included vent holes in the closing calls. He died several decades ago, but the mantle of both his temperament and his mathematically creative deed descriptions was proudly assumed by Jr.

I donƒ??t keep up with much lately on that front; last I heard Jr.ƒ??s health was on a bit of a downward ramp, but his children and assorted family members were still running the office with all the grace and reliability that the company has always been known for.

 
Posted : December 16, 2021 6:34 am
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I have always endeavored to be like my late father, KS LS 82.?ÿ Which is a good thing.?ÿ As he was prone to say about surveyors: "Time will tell" and "How will you be remembered?"

 
Posted : December 16, 2021 6:36 am
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I was working on a project out of our area and came across almost 75 years of surveys with the same name. While talking to a title officer in the area he informed me the company is being run by the grandson with the same name, born to Jr. Not bad surveyors, just couldn't figure out how the guy lived so long and did so many surveys.

?ÿ

 
Posted : December 16, 2021 5:16 pm
bill93
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Posted by: @howard-surveyor

just couldn't figure out how the guy lived so long and did so many surveys.

https://www.npr.org/2020/01/17/797305975/indianas-oldest-state-worker-is-retiring-at-102-i-ve-been-a-pretty-lucky-guy

 
Posted : December 17, 2021 11:14 am
 ppm
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Posted by: @r-s-mayer

Speaking of names, in my neck of the hills there was a surveyor by the name of D.B. Cooper, the name makes me smile every time I say it, and when I'm retracing one of his surveys, I know I'm on a good survey. Considering a lot of his work was done in the 40's and 50's on the slopes of mountainous terrain, the accuracy is impressive.

One project in particular I was retracing a section line starting on the bank of a creek from a section corner, then up and over two steep ridges and partially up a third to the quarter corner, and there was the monument as described within 0.5 feet of the calculated position. His crew must have been well versed in chaining up and down slopes.

I was obviously impressed;?ÿI'm still talking about to this day.

It would be outstanding if all of the surveys I retrace were executed with the same level of care as his.

I wish I could find D.B. Coopers "field notes". I may strike it rich!?ÿWouldn't that be crazy if he was a licensed land surveyor, and the most famous skyjacker.?ÿ

From what I understand there are still local meetings of people looking for his remains / money.?ÿ

 
Posted : December 17, 2021 11:38 am

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