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Leading zeros and 1/2 spaces in autocad

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(@stan-dardparallel)
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One of my corrections on a Record of Survey is to place a zero in front of a bearing (i.e. N1°43'15"E versus N01°43'15"E).

I think the leading zero looks odd. Most old maps don't have it. I was also thinking about placing a 1/2 space between the "N" and the bearing to make it look nicer but I can't figure out how to make a 1/2 space in autocad.

I posted something similar years ago on the old site but I was curious about current trends.

 
Posted : April 16, 2014 10:15 am
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Wow....who is telling you that? I guess if it's the boss or someone else that's stamping the document, and they want consistency in their product then a person should definitely use their drafting standards. But anyone else, they need to get a real job or worry about the content of your work over some silliness like that.

I think the ½-space might look pretty good. I agree with you that it looks better without the preceding 0. But I would never even tell my own draftsman to make a change like that; just so they had consistency in the whole drawing.

Anyway, I don't know how to make a half-space, so my post is no help at all.

 
Posted : April 16, 2014 10:28 am
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It's an agency correction. It can't be forced.

 
Posted : April 16, 2014 10:36 am
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It's definitely a style thing. I use a leading zero for single-digit degrees, minutes or seconds. To me the digit looks naked without the leading zero.

If I were responding to a map reviewer about it, I'd balk at changing my style. I might end up making the change in order to get the map filed, but I'd put up some resistance first, since it's not a matter of substance.

 
Posted : April 16, 2014 10:43 am
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As Jim stated, it's a style thing controlloed by Civil3d label styles. I prefer to have the 0 shown for clarity but see nothing wrong the leaving it out if that's ones preference. Of course, certain agencies may think differently and there's not much you can do about that.

 
Posted : April 16, 2014 11:03 am
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I always include the preceding zero as a matter of style, but leaving it off is not incorrect.

 
Posted : April 16, 2014 11:09 am
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By including the zero, it takes away any concern of a typo.

While it is rare when a boundary in sectioned land is anything far away from north, south, east or west.

It is very common in metes and bounds areas that this is a concern while reading only the description without a drawing to see the actual shape of the property.

It is the same with months of the year. Many use a zero before the months 1 thru 9 and others do not.

By placing a leading zero, it also makes column of bearings line up much better.

How do you handle a column of distances.

Do you leave spaces to align the commas and periods?
or
Do you lead off with the first digit and let the commas and periods fall where they may?

Technically, either is acceptable.

Without a definite cite from a rule book, I would let someone know that they need to put all their requirements on paper and have their agency to adopt it before they can say that it is the only way to properly show it on paper.

B-)

 
Posted : April 16, 2014 11:14 am
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I'd piss and moan about it and make sure the client knows where his/her money is going to make the change.

Somebody else said show it to me in the rules. I second that motion too.

 
Posted : April 16, 2014 11:36 am
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Well, for the half space, you can always do it the hard way. The "N" is text by itself. The bearing is text by itself. Then the "E" is text by itself.

Measure what you think a half space is and draw a line that long plus the width of the "N". Place the bearing at the end of the line. Repeat to put the "E" at the appropriate spot to the right of the bearing. Then copy that junk over and over and over and edit text to match your intent. Anything can be done by a person with OCD.

 
Posted : April 16, 2014 4:16 pm
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It might be easier to change the text size after the "N" then do a space @ 12 the text size then go back to regular size. But either way might be a bit too laborious. Maybe whomever is asking that to be done could advise. If they're that picky, they might be an experienced draftsman.

 
Posted : April 17, 2014 2:30 am
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You could use a period instead of a 1/2 space.

N.1°43'15"E.

 
Posted : April 17, 2014 5:02 am
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> You could use a period instead of a 1/2 space.
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> N.1°43'15"E.

My immediate reaction was that you don't get the ½-space in front of the "E". But the second symbol (quottation mark) makes it look balanced. I like that, and it's much easier.

 
Posted : April 17, 2014 5:06 am