> I substituted pecans since we always have pecans in the house. We have two mature trees in the yard.
> By adding a little extra cayenne deviation, it discourages some people who do not like the heat. So more for me.
Now you've got me wondering what Rosemary Pecans taste like. I guess there's one easy way to find out.
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Is it just me, or is Kent ....
Bob-
There should be more in our profession (and others) so extrospective.
Derek
Is it just me, or is Kent ....
There is clearly more than one way to look at any situation.
First, did anyone ask for help? No, it was offered. The offer was dismissed. That should have been the end of it.
Second, just because one person, no matter how well recognized, develops a system of doing something that they view to be superior to most other systems that does not mean that anyone else should feel compelled to dump whatever they have been doing in favor of the system offered.
Third, the rest of us should have stayed out of this difference of opinion between two private surveyors.
What I took from the original post was the level of frustration that results from having a properly written property description tossed aside by those who know little and replaced by a distinctly inferior description. That was the issue that we all should be addressing, not graphical preferences. Why is it that the surveying profession is so weak that there is no means to enforce the practice of property descriptions ONLY being written by licensed land surveyors in every State? This nonsense of allowing anyone under the Sun to submit one on a deed or other document is most definitely not in the best interest of the public.
Is it just me, or is Kent ....
Point well taken on descriptions. When it is pursued through statute, surveyors were looked upon as fence building or taking away attorneys work. I believe Oregon has a statute or regulation on descriptions where the "author" or authorship is required for a description...not sure maybe someone from Oregon can pipe in on that issue.
As far as Kent, hmmm...all looks well on paper and thoroughness.....I just wonder how he handles a shovel or tile probe or magnetic locator in the field. 😉
Pablo B-)
Is it just me, or is Kent ....
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> What I took from the original post was the level of frustration that results from having a properly written property description tossed aside by those who know little and replaced by a distinctly inferior description. That was the issue that we all should be addressing, not graphical preferences. Why is it that the surveying profession is so weak that there is no means to enforce the practice of property descriptions ONLY being written by licensed land surveyors in every State? This nonsense of allowing anyone under the Sun to submit one on a deed or other document is most definitely not in the best interest of the public.
Thank you,
That is exactly what McMill did
He completely sidetracked the original posting by interjecting his so called superior input.
In essence, what he did was to self pleasure himself all over another surveyor's work.
That Fred Astaire was impressive, but no one mentioned Ms. Rogers who was able to do all the same steps; only backwards and in high heels......:-P
So what you are saying is that the Army teaches you how to be respectful of a bully.
Is it just me, or is Kent ....
> There is clearly more than one way to look at any situation.
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> First, did anyone ask for help? No, it was offered. The offer was dismissed. That should have been the end of it.
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> Second, just because one person, no matter how well recognized, develops a system of doing something that they view to be superior to most other systems that does not mean that anyone else should feel compelled to dump whatever they have been doing in favor of the system offered.
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> Third, the rest of us should have stayed out of this difference of opinion between two private surveyors.
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Constructive suggestions, when solicited, are and should be provided and appreciated, but to demean/diminish another's work product or methods should not be acceptable. Are we professionals or not?
> What I took from the original post was the level of frustration that results from having a properly written property description tossed aside by those who know little and replaced by a distinctly inferior description. That was the issue that we all should be addressing, not graphical preferences. Why is it that the surveying profession is so weak that there is no means to enforce the practice of property descriptions ONLY being written by licensed land surveyors in every State? This nonsense of allowing anyone under the Sun to submit one on a deed or other document is most definitely not in the best interest of the public.
Why are we so weak? That is an easy one to answer; we are, for the most part, not self governed. Who's responsibility is it to protect the publics interest in such matters? Who is best able to understand the harm that happens on a daily basis when anyone under the sun is allowed to interpret and write complicated descriptions? Engineers? Evidently so.
Kent's not a bully; at times he's a bit of a pedant, but he's our pedant 😀
So here's the thing about Kent
He's good. Really good at what he does. He practices in an area that does not suffer fools well. That plays to his strengths and I'm quite sure has molded him to what we see today.
However, we all opine about how or what we would do, but VERY few of us have actually posted a plat on the board for others to chew up and spit out. In that respect, we are very "chicken hawk" like. For the few of us that DID post a plat at sometime, we all tend to have FR gear on because EVERYONE does it different.
For the one that I posted, Kent had comments about it, and some may have been construed as inflammatory and derogatory. However, after nearly 13 years of banter/discussion with Kent, I have retooled how I do certain things because of the mouse trap he has. That's not to say that I totally agree with everything he does, and while his rational makes sense, it doesn't work in all markets.
You just gotta know how to take him. What I can say is that he WILL post his plats. Most won't.
So here's the thing about Kent
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Is it just me, or is Kent ....
> Third, the rest of us should have stayed out of this difference of opinion between two private surveyors.
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> What I took from the original post was the level of frustration that results from having a properly written property description tossed aside by those who know little and replaced by a distinctly inferior description. That was the issue that we all should be addressing, not graphical preferences.
What struck me was that part of the reason why no regard was paid to Leon's survey was that the representation of it on the map was such a blizzard of text that worked against communication. Had he presented a clean, clearly annotated map of the boundary of the tract and a clean written description on one sheet and arranged for the blizzard to fall on a second, his odds should have been greatly improved. There was obviously a miscommunication somewhere along the line and the map posted is almost certainly partly the reason why his work wasn't understood.
Is it just me, or is this thread in the wrong category?
Land Surveying Is The Right Category
This is all about a Land Surveyor and possibly his over willingness to share the whys of his work.
Maybe Kent is irascible, but rascibility is not required to pass the PLS.
I disagree with Kent from time to time, but cannot recall ever calling him wrong.
Kent does what is required, I believe some of his complainers do not care to meet that level or do not understand why it is neccessary.
Paul in PA
Is it just me, or is Kent ....
Sometimes, the dialogues of posts such as found in the abyss, here is a map, title vs. record and other posts remind me of the Jainist/ Sufi tale of the Elephant and the 6 Blind Men.
Everyone brings their POV whose origins are based in PLSS, M&B, Colonial, Western states, Texas, Rural, Urban/Suburban and no one sees the elephant so to speak.
Leon and Kent have a history of lively banter here and Leon knew that Kent was going to critique before he hit submit. Good for Leon.
In the Abyss post, Leon plat did make my PDF viewer go gaga for a bit. I did find the plat cluttered and I thought that Kent’s comments were helpful and they were being civil with each other.
Kent has always advocated graphical standards that are user friendly to much derision by posters here that it has become a running gag.
I found it to be a civil discussion between them. Kent’s suggestion to reduce the clutter by adopting better use of fonts, layout, and extra graphical accessories was helpful. I did think that his advice of condensing the verbiage by 50% was excessive.
I thought that 50% could emasculate the info provided by Leon’s plat. But one would be surprised of the results that a reduction of verbiage and redundancy by a lesser amount could accomplish. I think that 15-20% or less would have improved the plat.
Reminds me of the old VW bug days…you could fit 5 OK but that 6 person was very uncomfortable experience.
Our 5th grader recently studied the Elephant/Blind Men tale recently and it reminded me of posts here dealing with rewriting descriptions. I think some posters actually put their hand up in the elephant's rectum at times.
Blah, Blah, Blah.
How about just posting the recipe?
Thread reminded me of my days as a plat reviewer for the State prior to getting licensed. Prided myself on always finding something to comment on. Wrote up a review for a plat done by a US Forest Service surveyor. Got my review letter back from him with 80% of my comments with big red lines through them and an note at the bottom that read something to the affect.
"When you publish the manual on style, I'll be more than happy to comply with these items I've crossed out."
Man had a valid point.
Well, here's how to make Rosemary Cashews:
1 pound of Roasted Salted Cashews.
2 teaspoons of Light Brown Sugar
2 or 3 tablespoons of finely chopped FRESH Rosemary Leaves (don't skimp on the Rosemary)
1/2 to 3/4 teaspoons of Cayenne Pepper (1/2 tsp. is mild, 3/4 has a bit more snap)
1 tablespoon of Olive Oil (or melted unsalted butter if you have a death wish on your Xmas list).
Spread the Cashews on a baking sheet and warm them in a pre-heated oven for 5 minutes at 350°F.
While the Cashews are warming up, mix the Light Brown Sugar, chopped Rosemary, Cayenne, and Salt in a small bowl. Toss the warm Cashews with Olive Oil first to get a thin coating on them that will help the spices to adhere (not too much Olive Oil, now) and then toss the Cashews with the other ingredients to get them evenly coated with Rosemary et cet.
These are best eaten while still warm, but if they are to be saved for later, cover them with a cloth instead of plastic to keep them from getting soggy.
Land Surveying Is The Right Category
Alrighty then....
I thought this thread was about somebody complaining about somebody else getting bullied; my bad....
