Is anyone using the GeoMax Robotic?

I don't know about them, but I am interested as well. It sounds like a very good deal if the quality is what it's claimed to be.

Absolutely the only qualm I would have about using Geomax is that it takes a sale from Leica. On the other hand, they're loaded with value. I wonder, though, if since today's Leica is tomorrow's Geomax (and both are a part of hexagon) maybe there's not much overall damage because they share R&D overhead?

Doubt it works that way.

>. . . we are not running the newest and best Leica. We are happy with the older models that produce well.

I think there is a lot to be said for "Good Enough" when it comes to equipment & software. Manufacturers & vendors make money, not so sure it necessarily helps our bottom line.

I think Geomax robots are like Carlson robots & are pretty much the same as the Leica 1200 series? I know that Ranken Surveying Instrument Service in Seattle has gone to factory sponsored training so they can train & service their clients with Geomax robots. Don't know if other dealers are doing likewise. Definitely a lower cost alternative although maybe not leading edge.

Great product, good price, good training, good service, hummmm, must be something wrong hear?

Sam

Stagnet technology and an extremely small service and support network (if you can call it that).

I am not promoting myself but I hate Geomax, I hate the idea of Geomax. And I will match any price you get by a Geomax dealer for a comparable Leica TS-12 unit if price is the only reason you're looking at them. On top of, it you'll get my full support.

Why do you hate GeoMax? From your post it sounds like it's only because they are your competition, and that doesn't mean much to the average customer.

Not even close.

I hate Geomax because of the way they market their product. The products are marketed as" Leica Equipment-just way cheaper." In fact, Geomax is not current generation Leica technology. Further. No Geomax dealer has gone to the lengths and investments of any other Leica dealer, Topcon or Trimble included to supply their repair centers with proper tooling for support and repair. I am consistently hearing direct lies from these dealers that they can work with any data collector, third party included...simply not true beyond the Scope of a normal Bluetooth connection.

These dealers aren't competing with me, they can't. Our support structure and service sells our products. Trying to cut a price to make a sell...hmmmm sounds like some of the complaints in the Surveyng industry right there! Well, we know those guys won't be around for a long time.

You get what you pay for.

> You get what you pay for.

As the Deathstar Trimble, keeps eating other companies, poaching their tech, letting their products wilt, remember Teramodel, or slightly altering / re-branding older Trimble products to, for instance, Spectra Precision, Geomax / Carlson look like a good idea to me.

I like the backwards continuity or post-latest & greatest-tech cross-over-predictability, if you will. From an industry outsider it just looks like an alternative way of competing with Trimble.

My Pop used to talk about how GM did a kinda similar thing at least up through the 1940s. If I remember right, no guarantee here for sure, a low-end Oldsmobile wouldn't have the Olds brands latest, greatest or fanciest - in fact it would have a lot of Chevy components & the latest, fanciest, etc wouldn't trickle down to the Chevy line for a couple years.

You get what you pay for or in the case of Trimble we get what they serve up?

I am the survey product manager for one of the largest GeoMax dealers in the US. I find it almost laughable when any dealer (of any brand) feels it needed to bash another dealer or brand to promote their products. I have been in the industry for over 20 years. Hexagon, Topcon, and Trimble ALL make quality products. We sell products from all three companies in one form or another. We pride ourselves on service and support: before, during, and after the sale. If you want honest answers and advice, please feel free to contact me and I will be happy to assist you in any way that I can. My email is in my profile. Kevin.

As I stated minutes before this post in a private email...having local dealers with great service outranks virtually anything to me, sometimes even brand name. So long as that dealer does not outright lie to the customer to make the sale and has invested both the time and the money in the tooling/training to support the customer in the field and in the service sector.

In my area though I tend to hear some outrageous answers to the following questions...

1. Other than the soon-to be outdated Allegro what other options do I have for data collection? Anything that can get me over 800 feet?

2. A Geomax repair center...do they undergo the same audits, training other manufacturers have to go through?

3. When looking at their service and support network, exactly how many full-functioning service centers are there in the US?

4. Carlson SurvCE 3.xx...any known hiccups?

Listen, although it sounds like I am trying to start a argument I am not. Is Geomax a quality product, yes. Hexagon wouldn't have manufactured it if not. Is it better than a lot of the competitive brands out there...yes it is. Is it better than Leica, as the thread has asked? Absolutely not. There are honest answers and politically correct answers. I am not so good at the latter.

I'm gonna quit now. God knows this will be a phone call on Monday. Take care.

Does GeoMax work with TDS under the Leica settings?

My understanding is that the Geomax or Carlson robot is a Leica 1200 (now legacy in Leica's world) with a new paint job. A lot of users may still be quite content with a 1200 and Allegro which was top of the line not that long ago. The market is still there.

As far as the auditing goes, this ain't no guarantees for better service. The old joke about ISO9001...we document every step of the making of our substandard product...;-)

Anyway, you guys chill a bit.

I have extensive experience with both the Leica 1200 and now GeoMax Zoom 80.
Even though (reportedly) the Geo is made in a different Swiss factory than Leica
the drive motor even sounds identical to the Leica. The on board software is
the old Leica, not the Viva, but it works.

I am happy with the GeoMax, not so much with the Allegro (battery issues), but the Carlson SurvCE was fairly easy to learn.

Scott

These dealers aren't competing with me, they can't. Our support structure and service sells our products. Trying to cut a price to make a sell...hmmmm sounds like some of the complaints in the Surveyng industry right there! Well, we know those guys won't be around for a long time.

You get what you pay for.

You can look at the cheap price as either under cutting or in your case - Leica is over pricing. There are always 2 sides to a coin.

If Geomax can sell a unit with same capabilities as a Leica 1200, then I would ask myself, either Leica's manufacturing method is not efficient as Geomax to make the same unit.

Remember, all companies or in our case - business - wants to be more efficient. We want to deliver the most value at the most competitive price. So if I can survey same parcel $100 cheaper because I work faster then so be it. It is up to you to meet my same output at $100 lower.

Remember guys, we are not communists. We have option to lower our price if we can deliver same product at lower cost.

:good:

-V

So here is my experience thus far....

I emailed the company last week requesting more info. I received an email early this week saying it was being forwarded to the Sales Team. A couple of days later and I'm not impressed with their intent to sell (no other response), so forget any kind of support in my opinion. If you can't get back to me within 24 hours to sell me something....how the hell can you support it.

For me, the telephone is my first point of contact. E-mail is good for follow up and further communication after ice is broken.