I just found out that I need to re-set some monuments (iron rods), that the contractor wiped out during construction. This is in a state that I'm licensed in, but rarely do boundary work in. I had rod caps with my prior company, but never got around to getting new ones made. This state doesn't require caps or monument identification.
So, the question is: since I don't have time to get some caps made up, do I set them without caps, which complies with the rules; or use caps that have the numbers of the two other states that I'm licensed in on them? I understand that it will seem weird for someone to see out-of-state licenses on these, but a quick online search will identify me, if there are any questions. If I don't use the caps, then no one will know who set them.
Paint the tops and put a punch mark in the top.
Honestly, most surveyors in Oklahoma wouldn't know how to look up somebody's license in another state. If it complies with the rules, leave them off.
It seems like a judgment call with no right or wrong answer, but I would probably leave them off if they are not required.
I have very rarely called the surveyor whose caps I found....not that I haven't done it on a particularly challenging job or if there was an issue, but usually I find it unnecessary.
Kris Morgan, post: 325490, member: 29 wrote: Paint the tops and put a punch mark in the top.
Be sure to use a big enough rod so the next guy has room to put his punch hole 0.01N & 0.02E
Your local engineering/surveyor supply store probably has blank caps for sale- buy the few you need and stamp your correct number on them yourself.
No stamp set. The local store is great if you want to buy a new instrument or GPS, but never seems to have a stick ruler, plumb bob, 100' tape, etc, when you walk in.
JPH, post: 325507, member: 6636 wrote: No stamp set. The local store is great if you want to buy a new instrument or GPS, but never seems to have a stick ruler, plumb bob, 100' tape, etc, when you walk in.
Order stamp set online. Or get them at your local Harbor Freight Tools. Use blank aluminum caps.
But setting bars with no caps is an option if it meets state spec. I've never rejected a found iron rod simply because it has no cap.
JPH, post: 325489, member: 6636 wrote: I just found out that I need to re-set some monuments (iron rods), that the contractor wiped out during construction. This is in a state that I'm licensed in, but rarely do boundary work in. I had rod caps with my prior company, but never got around to getting new ones made. This state doesn't require caps or monument identification.
So, the question is: since I don't have time to get some caps made up, do I set them without caps, which complies with the rules; or use caps that have the numbers of the two other states that I'm licensed in on them? I understand that it will seem weird for someone to see out-of-state licenses on these, but a quick online search will identify me, if there are any questions. If I don't use the caps, then no one will know who set them.
"I had rod caps with my prior company, but never got around to getting new ones made."
Well, now's the time for that. Your license in one state means nothing in another. Professional registrations are not like driver's lecenses!
JPH, post: 325489, member: 6636 wrote: I just found out that I need to re-set some monuments (iron rods), that the contractor wiped out during construction. This is in a state that I'm licensed in, but rarely do boundary work in. I had rod caps with my prior company, but never got around to getting new ones made. This state doesn't require caps or monument identification.
So, the question is: since I don't have time to get some caps made up, do I set them without caps, which complies with the rules; or use caps that have the numbers of the two other states that I'm licensed in on them? I understand that it will seem weird for someone to see out-of-state licenses on these, but a quick online search will identify me, if there are any questions. If I don't use the caps, then no one will know who set them.
"... or use caps that have the numbers of the two other states that I'm licensed in on them?"
Why would you even consider this?
JPH, post: 325489, member: 6636 wrote: I just found out that I need to re-set some monuments (iron rods), that the contractor wiped out during construction. This is in a state that I'm licensed in, but rarely do boundary work in. I had rod caps with my prior company, but never got around to getting new ones made. This state doesn't require caps or monument identification.
So, the question is: since I don't have time to get some caps made up, do I set them without caps, which complies with the rules; or use caps that have the numbers of the two other states that I'm licensed in on them? I understand that it will seem weird for someone to see out-of-state licenses on these, but a quick online search will identify me, if there are any questions. If I don't use the caps, then no one will know who set them.
If you need plastic caps, you could probably get them made within a few days. Deaton's Geotronics can turn them around in a few days. Hayes Instruments can also.
If you need aluminum, they sell them as well. I just purchased a bunch of caps from SurvKap. They were cheaper than Berntsen, and the turn around time was pretty reasonable. Berntsen's monuments look a little better, but were much more expensive for the ones I needed.
I always cap my monuments, even if the regs don't require it.
Jim in AZ, post: 325513, member: 249 wrote: "... or use caps that have the numbers of the two other states that I'm licensed in on them?"
Why would you even consider this?
Did you miss,
"...but a quick online search will identify me, if there are any questions."
or are you just not happy with that explanation?
I can set rods without caps, but this way, people will know who set them.
Jimmy Cleveland, post: 325515, member: 91 wrote: If you need plastic caps, you could probably get them made within a few days. Deaton's Geotronics can turn them around in a few days. Hayes Instruments can also.
If you need aluminum, they sell them as well. I just purchased a bunch of caps from SurvKap. They were cheaper than Berntsen, and the turn around time was pretty reasonable. Berntsen's monuments look a little better, but were much more expensive for the ones I needed.
I always cap my monuments, even if the regs don't require it.
I'll give both a call, but thursday before the long holiday weekend, and I'll be at some hotel near the site, I don't have high-hopes of getting it when I need them, tuesday morning.
I have plastic caps with multiple states on them. I just take a pocket knife and scrape the wrong states off. Sometimes I light the tip of a pin flag and burn the wrong states off. If your caps are metal then my idea is out.
I use caps from Mark-It in Arizona, I have had them ship caps same day for overnight delivery to a job site, but with the holiday weekend and many taking Friday off that might be tough for even them to make your deadline, but worth a shot.
SHG
I would call a friend and borrow a stamp set. Buy a good one later and keep it handy.
For a few caps I would just set aluminum and stamp them on site.
I would avoid the out of state caps. It may result in you getting a ding for using somebody else's number. In addition I think you're making work for those that follow. That's not right even if the rules there allow it.
JPH, post: 325507, member: 6636 wrote: No stamp set. The local store is great if you want to buy a new instrument or GPS, but never seems to have a stick ruler, plumb bob, 100' tape, etc, when you walk in.
I got a set at a auto supply store last year in a small town I was working in, I had forgot my set. They aren't the type I ever wanted but because of how they are set up they work really well as a field set, throw them in the 4-wheeler and they don't get all separated.
JPH, post: 325517, member: 6636 wrote: Did you miss,
"...but a quick online search will identify me, if there are any questions."
or are you just not happy with that explanation?
I can set rods without caps, but this way, people will know who set them.
Do you seriously think anyone searches for Registrant's numbers from other States? I don't - and I have never heard of anyone doing such a thing!. Why are the standards in a state that requires no monument identification difficult to follow?
Jim in AZ, post: 325546, member: 249 wrote: Do you seriously think anyone searches for Registrant's numbers from other States? I don't - and I have never heard of anyone doing such a thing!. Why are the standards in a state that requires no monument identification difficult to follow?
Yes, people do online searches all the time. It's actually pretty simple to do. I've been contacted many times by other surveyors who found my caps, and then looked me up online on the state website.
I never said that it was, "difficult to follow", the state standards. I'm just trying to do something that lets other surveyors know who set these rods, rather than leaving a bunch of bastard monuments out there.
I would go capless in this case.
For fun, you could borrow some from a friend licensed in the State. I've always wanted to set someone else's caps. And, I've had the ability to do so.
