Since there is an alley, is this an older subdivision?? That may be part of the issue as well. Occupation over the years may have impacted boundaries or at the very least, made a solid determination of those lines difficult.
It could also be something as simple as an autocad layer set to "not print" or being accidentally turned 'off'. I've done that over the years.
Good advice here, don't start totally OVER. Talk to your surveyor and make him meet you on the property. What you might think are property corners may just be his control points.
Andy
Well there are always two sides to every story and two sides to every line. Maybe , the fence is actually on the line?
> Well there are always two sides to every story and two sides to every line. Maybe , the fence is actually on the line?
Agreed.. How someone would "KNOW" the fence is a foot into his property before he has a survey done is beyond me.
>I have 3 yes THREE incident reports in a 24 hour period from the Phoenix PD. THEY ARE WORTHLESS....
It's never "just" about a fence.
When I had my own company I almost always referred these types of calls to another surveyor. If I wanted to make a career out of being an instrument of retribution in an ongoing argument between "neighbors" I would have shown up and taken the LSAT exam the day I was scheduled to. 😉
> >I have 3 yes THREE incident reports in a 24 hour period from the Phoenix PD. THEY ARE WORTHLESS....
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> It's never "just" about a fence.
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> When I had my own company I almost always referred these types of calls to another surveyor. If I wanted to make a career out of being an instrument of retribution in an ongoing argument between "neighbors" I would have shown up and taken the LSAT exam the day I was scheduled to. 😉
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Yes, there is always a pizzing match going on. It seems like this one is escalating with Lawyers, BB guns and money...
When I get calls like thisd...my fees seem to mysteriously inflate because I know that there is going to be a lot of speed bumps on the project in the research, field and final deliverable. They usually move on to find someone else.
+1 for the Warren Zevon reference
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Please keep us posted as you get a resolution. I'm interested in how this turns out.
I think a lot of people are missing the point. The man asked for the fence to be located on/by the survey (so he say's and at this point we have no reason to think he didn't) and it didn't happen. I don't care if the fence is totally on the neighbor's, 6 feet into his property or on the line it should be noted somewhere what the location of the fence is. If someone calls into the office stating they have a problem with the neighbor's fence, then we locate it and it goes on the survey. Hell even if they don't mention it we locate it because I don't have a ouija board and until the calcs are done I don't know if the fence is a problem are not. To just put out a drawing without any fence locations or even a note stating there are no encroachments is dropping the ball. Yes I'd like to know how he know's it's a foot over and was he home looking out the window when they put it up and didn't say anything or did he come home after work and bam, theres a fence? But in the end it doesn't matter, he called for a survey stating the need for it and it sounds like the guy just submitted a stick drawing. If I'm going to have to pay for the work to be completed and it's going to be substantial, I wouldn't bother throwing money at this guy, no telling what you're getting as a submittal this time. Get some recommendations and don't just go with the lowest price. You get what you paid for.
"A scribe in the shape of a cross does not meet Arizona's minimum standards for surveys."
That is true, but I set them routinely, as I've never found anything quite as permanent with the freeze/thaw issues we have here. I am even reluctant to set a MAG nail anymore... Several years ago I set one with a tag in a concrete driveway. The owner called me the next day and told me that he thought I had damaged his electric heating net, which was embedded in the concrete. I discussed this with my nephew, who owned a concrete company, who told me that if it was damaged it was not repairable. Removal and replacement was the sole option, at a cost of around $40,000.00. Fortunately, we missed the 2" spacing in the net, but every time I drive a MAG nail it makes me think twice...
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I agree some are missing the point. The surveyor needs to complete the job he was hired to do.
He should look to see if there is a fence line drawn on the plat. It's possible that he showed the fence, but didn't label it "fence". The surveyor should show the fence, label it, and dimensions to the fence from each property corner. The plat should have all of this information on it. if he also needs a written report, the report should be written in plain and straight forward language that the client can understand with references to what is on the plat.
"When I get calls like this...my fees seem to mysteriously inflate... "
My backlog suddenenly increases - there's little money to be made in these situations.
I didn't get the feeling anyone was saying otherwise. Talk to the surveyor and find out what's going on.
Spending time looking for another one, or posting online isn't really going to answer any of those questions.
Well there are always two sides to every story and two sides to every line. Maybe , the fence is actually on the line?
Since there is an alley, is this an older subdivision?? That may be part of the issue as well. Occupation over the years may have impacted boundaries or at the very least, made a solid determination of those lines difficult.
How someone would "KNOW" the fence is a foot into his property before he has a survey done is beyond me.
First of all, it is not worth losing any sleep over and second, "square one" was when the fence was under construction by the contractor. If as you stated by your knowledge that it was being erected over the property line by a foot It seems that you had knowledge of the line to "one foot" accuracy and hired the surveyor to validate your knowledge of the line. It would be good to know the time line of events here. Construction of fence, your notice of fence, new neighbor taking occupancy of house, your notice to neighbor about fence and your initial contact with surveyor. Some here may want to discuss the principle of estoppel about this fence.
Who cares??? This guy was hired to locate the property line and fence in relation to it. If it's a one foot encroachment or 6 feet into his own property you locate the fence, show it clearly on your drawing and you let the chips fall where they may. I've had a lot of clients positive that the neighbor was encroaching on them only to find out that it's the other way around. Some were down right p***ed off but I showed everything on my drawing, it was up to them what they did with it.
Corey (according to him) clearly stated he talked to someone at the surveying office about a dispute with the fence and his property line. I don't know what's so tough about making sure those two items clearly stand out.
The map is the report , can you read the map. You say the map was late , late for what ? I give people time estimates all the time sometimes we miss. I would be more concerned you watch them build the fence with telling them it was over the line . Call the surveyor and let him explain before getting to excited, he may have a good reason.
"I don't know what your complaining about, it's right there in Latin, clear as day" If your prepairing the drawing for a layman's use wouldn't you make it so that a 1st grader could under stand it? Corey, a pdf of the drawing would be nice, maybe someone here can help you decipher it and maybe you don't need to talk to anyone else.
Late is past the time the surveyor said he'd have the drawing/report in the clients hand. If your going to be late, call the client and explain why. You just don't let your deadlines come and go without any contact do you? I set my own project schedules for cases like these so theres no reason just to miss them and leave the client hanging.
Yes call the surveyor and explain your problem with his drawing but I doubt he had a good reason for not showing the fence location and distance to the line other than "I forgot". Again, if this guys going to charge a fortune to ad the information to his drawing I'd have to think twice before spending the money with this guy. But you may be surprises and he really did just forgot and will clean everthing up. I have no reason not to think he's a stand up guy other than what Corey's telling me.
Corey if you do start over expect to spend at least what the first guy charged you, probably more. Everyone charges their own rates and they have to start over from scratch and decided what they think of the first guy's stuff if the disagree with it.