i'll be out doing a 20 mile run over the donner pass in a couple weeks, does that count?
If you learn to back a team into a loading dock, you pretty much have the confidence to accomplish anything!
I think that this is short sighted and self laudatory. I started with a transit and "chain" but I sure wouldn't expect a new student or even a new PLS to know how to set up a fixed legged tripod and read a vernier from my ol' K&E Paragon 20" instrument. It would take me a while to figure it out actually!
I, also, wouldn't like my doctor to start placing leeches because "That's the way they used to do it." Or my dentist to start working without first applying Novocain because "Back in the old days they didn't have Novocain."
We're not so great because we used transits, we're not any different than the "new breed" except that they are better educated in areas that I am lacking.
Give it a rest 🙂
We are guardians of historical data. It makes sense that we respect those who went before us and created the paths we need to follow today.
In today's cell phone/there's-an-app-for-that-world it is easy to forget how fragile we have become to the harsh realities of the real world. We frequently put ourselves in places where true hazards exist but we ignore them because we have the miracle cure with a few pokes at the cell phone screen............................................................until we don't. We can't allow our collective view of the art of field surveying to become so naive.
LRDay, post: 385689, member: 571 wrote: I dunno, should one be required to drive a team and wagon over the Oregon Trail before they get a drivers license?
No because most people do not need to know how to drive wagons, or vehicles from the past to drive the cars of the present, However Surveyors need to know and understand how Surveyors from past did their work so we can retrace it.
These folks are the real deal and the keepers of the flame of the historical past.
They aren't self-proclaimed Internet forum mouths.
Yes, it is a regretful that nowadays some will never experience the procedures of the past but their mental acumen should negate that problem.
http://www.surveyorshistoricalsociety.com/organization.php
This rendezvous looks excellent. Lake George is such a beautiful place in the USA.
Somehow if the new breed or younger (and older)surveyors can attain CEUs.
It would be a win-win
I know I wish I could be there.
[USER=38]@Rich Leu[/USER]
[USER=378]@Robert Hill[/USER]
I've seen that before using @ and the name. Do you just type it that way and then the person you are addressing is alerted? I am typing this as an experiment. I tried to find an explanation of it but I didn't find it. Maybe I was looking in all the wrong places
Okay, it seemed to work.
Tom Adams, post: 385714, member: 7285 wrote: [USER=378]@Robert Hill[/USER]
I've seen that before using @ and the name. Do you just type it that way and then the person you are addressing is alerted? I am typing this as an experiment. I tried to find an explanation of it but I didn't find it. Maybe I was looking in all the wrong placesOkay, it seemed to work.
[USER=7285]@Tom Adams[/USER]
Yes it sends an alert that you have been mentioned in a post by the poster
Tom Adams, post: 385668, member: 7285 wrote: Are you talking about Nate-the-Surveyor's example? Or one involving Cooley? Maybe I was mis-speaking above.
i honestly don't even know anymore- this thread has gone so many different directions.
Okay, so I haven't read ALL of the posts yet (most of them though), so maybe somebody already said this (or something to the same effect).
10 (or 20, or 30) years of experience may or may NOT mean all that much!
A year of experience doing [say] lot & block surveys downtown, or retracing PLSS Sections in BFE, REPEATED 10 or 20, or 30 times, does NOT equal 10 or 20 or 30 years of broad ranging experience in many different types of surveys or locals.
Doing the same thing, the same way, over and over again, is just that. It "should" make you very qualified to do THAT, but doesn't necessarily make you qualified to do anything else.
Just my 2 bits.
Loyal
It is rather obvious that the Missouri surveyors believe this to be rather important stuff. On August 20 they will be gathering at Fort Osage National Historic Landmark in Sibley, MO to get into the old timey stuff in a big way. Much of the focus is on the early treaties and the surveying of the treaty lines. One of the featured speakers is Dick Elgin speaking on: The Evolution of the American Compass, from Plain to Solar, and ' Finding the Variation' ".
I should have some recreators come out and retrace the survey lines I did earlier this spring, now THAT would be a survey with a compass and chain, I'm sure glad I didn't have to do it that way. Even those boys hit a spot that they said was too steep and triangulated in a line. If it was too steep for them you can rest assured it was too steep for anyone. Surveying used to mean really being in shape.
Holy Cow, post: 385754, member: 50 wrote: It is rather obvious that the Missouri surveyors believe this to be rather important stuff. On August 20 they will be gathering at Fort Osage National Historic Landmark in Sibley, MO to get into the old timey stuff in a big way. Much of the focus is on the early treaties and the surveying of the treaty lines. One of the featured speakers is Dick Elgin speaking on: The Evolution of the American Compass, from Plain to Solar, and ' Finding the Variation' ".
I believe that Dick Elgin has been a serious collector of early survey instruments and gear for 30 years or so.
I don't know if anyone remembers Norman Brown, PLS from Missouri.
He was the original historical recreator way back when. He was also the state surveyor for Missouri.
I use to have a picture of him peeping at the camera through a peep site compass from an old POB cover.
He set the bar very high for everyone.
That would be the one in the center of this photo
There was another Norman Brown who was a well-known Missouri surveyor. I believe both are now deceased.
I started a new thread for the Missouri event with what info I could quickly find. If you have any more, please post it there.
https://surveyorconnect.com/community/threads/historical-surveying-demonstration-in-missouri.327842/
