How long will it last?

I have a similar gripe about a firm that was hired to perpetuate some block corner locations following a street improvement project. Where formerly there was concrete sidewalk at the corner locations, there are now ungrouted concrete brick pavers, and the surveyor's solution was to epoxy a brass tag to one of the pavers. The pavers fit together pretty snugly, but a tag glued to the top of a removable block just doesn't meet the criterion of "durable" in my book. I've filed complaints with both the city and the local PPC, but have not received a response.

That's pitiful!

It's not allowed here. Minimum of 1-1/2" stamped cap on 24" rebar some exceptions for setting special caps in concrete or rock.

Don't they have drills and chisels out there?;-)

Seriously if you're going to survey-buy some equipment or at least rent some when you need it.

> but a tag glued to the top of a removable block just doesn't meet the criterion of "durable" in my book. I've filed complaints with both the city and the local PPC, but have not received a response.

Did you look under the paver?

I've seen the exact scenario you describe, WITH an iron rod and cap under the paver (same #).

They transferred the mark to the top for ease of use.
Just a thought.

Good point RFB. I didn't pull the nail to see if there was a pipe/pin below it. I guess I just jumped to conclusions. It may very well have a more durable point below surface.

> Good point RFB. I didn't pull the nail to see if there was a pipe/pin below it. I guess I just jumped to conclusions. It may very well have a more durable point below surface.

Could just be a temporary point to shoot some topo from and the crew hit it with a spot of paint on Friday afternoon to make it easier for another crew to find it on Monday morning.

From the picture I don’t see any reason to assume it’s a property marker.

Nope

> Did you look under the paver?

No need to -- he filed a Corner Record documenting his handiwork. The glued tag is all there is.

Looks like it wasn't meant to last long. Not every point a surveyor sets has to last a decade. I've used a scratch mark on the sidewalk as a temporary point to locate hedges or fences.

I'd give it a year and a half.

The fact that this PK nail is in a joint makes one suspect that it is not an actual corner, but a random traverse point.

Note that in Jim's photo, the point is actually in a brick, rather than in a joint.

That is what I was thinking. I've used points that were nowhere near 'permanent' to locate a few items to show on a plat. Sometimes there is only one good spot to measure from and it may not be a good spot to set a 18" diameter 4' deep concrete monument with brass disk as a temporary control point.

I would not expect that to be the property corner. There is now some leeway in what can be used to monument a corner - even down so far as a PK nail. However, there is a hierarchy of what to use and a PK would be if a pin or pipe could not be set. Hopefully no one over in Hopkinsville would have decided that it was not possible to pick that paver up and set a pin or pipe.

Edited to add:
It would not shock me to find out that it was supposed to be a corner monument - there are some questionable 'professional' land surveyors around here just as in other areas.

If your over in Hopkinsville and looking for pie, you need to stop in at the The Wood Shed. Really good BBQ plate lunches and the pie is outstanding.

I guess it probably served it's purpose at the time for that job.:-/ I personally like dependable control so I can use it to make money in the future.:-D

We planned to have burgoo (spelling) at the Wood Shed but started to run out of light. It was in the 60's but dropped into the 40's really fast. We were on the bike with about a two hour drive home. (we never take the interstates).

The place we ate at was called the Holiday Burgers. A tiny little hole in the wall sort of place that Nancy found while living in Hop-Town.

And yes, those are actually NOT pancakes but cornbred. Mom called them ho-cakes but that might be an Okie slang for them.

The chess pie was pretty good but a lot of sugar. Kinda like a pecan pie without the pecans is the only thing I can think of in the way of a description.

We plan on an August trip back down that way for the Blues fest at Kenlake. Very neat place at the resort. Opened in 1952 and designed by Frank Lloyd Wright.

We did find a few of these markers around downtown Hop-Town. I guess they probably paid for the sidewalks so got to install these markers. No where near any property lines but still a neat find.

I'm really enjoying the towns in the area. Very interesting downtowns, courthouses and just history in general.

Have you been by the Castle on the Cumberland at Old Eddyville, yet? Go up the steps to the front door and ask for a tour.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7388762@N03/1497098101/in/set-72157619154759511

We were riding one day near the end of summer and I could see that place from 10 or so miles away. I thought it was some sort of fancy hotel or resort. I just kept hugging the shore line on any road we could find until we finally arrived. haha...A prison. I didn't take any pictures though and didn't even think to ask for a tour.

It was really a neat looking place (from the outside). So they give tours? We ride a lot in the LBL.

> Note that in Jim's photo, the point is actually in a brick, rather than in a joint.

If it were actually "in" a brick it'd be marginally better, but the only thing that it's really in is a dollop of clear epoxy.

Doubt if they would open up the door for a tour.

I got one when I worked at the prison farm at Fredonia the year I got out of high school. Had a state job as a "Junior Agriculturalist" for the summer, but they were short on guards, so my job was to ride into the prison with the trucks of vegetables/meat from the farm (they had prisoners drive, didn't carry insurance for the employees). Once thru the gate, I'd sit on top of the truck and watch them unload it. One time they told me to go to the front offices to pick up some traveling money for me and the old fellow I worked with so we could take 2 loads of hay up to LaGrange in the middle of the state. So I walked up to the back gate and told the old guard there what I was there for. Of course he didn't know me from Adam and I was dressed like the rest of the convicts, so I ended up getting dragged by the arm through the hallway towards the warden's office. Luckily I spotted I girl I went to school with who was a secretary, and yelled for her to tell them who I was. They all got a big kick out of it when I told it back at the farm.

If you go out the road that goes to Lady Cemetery in LBL it puts you just about across the lake from it.

Drink Double-Cola.....haha...
I bet those tags came from NYC and they (NY) had to remove them. Probably got a great deal on them. 😉

(I hope that wasn't too obscure to be funny).

Not very long and the owner of the bricked area is probably not happy.

Looks as though it caused the brick to break under the stress.

In Jefferson, many streets are brick. We drill and insert brass or copper tubing in and in between the brick because brass or copper is soft enough to allow for the expansion.

I have even seen a cotton pickin spindle that was set with rubberized material.