FrancisH, post: 399824, member: 10211 wrote: well if you have not heard of the concept of checking your work then it would explain why you never encountered a blunder.
if you don't close your traverse or level run then you won't catch a blunder.
i guess you don't do those things right Gene?for a respectable surveyor those checks & rechecks are what you do to get to the 15cm precision work level.
sorry but I don't have Cooley to run to everytime I can't do my job properly.
It's no trouble at all to set up on a control point mis-positioned 1 foot (0.305 meters) and nearly perfectly set out 3 monuments. The three monuments will check perfectly but they are all 1 foot off. So some measurement expert comes bumbling along 30 years later, oh hey, these three fit really well, I'll use them and disregard everything else!
Why, yes FrancisH I think you finally understand my dilemma! Let me further prop up your argument (and support David's post) by quoting the last line in the preface of A.C. Mulford's book, "Boundaries and Landmarks: A Practical Manual".
It is far more important to have faulty measurements on the place where the line truly exists, than an accurate measurement where the line does not exist at all.
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It is far more important to have faulty measurements on the place where the line truly exists, than an accurate measurement where the line does not exist at all.
That makes no sense at all.
Your job is to make accurate measurements where the line truly exist.
Why would you justify a shoddy job just because your corner is near where it should be?
The owner himself could faulty locate his corner near where it should be all by his lonesome. Reason why he hired you so called professional surveyors is to locate his corners accurately where it should be located. Jeeeezz.[/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT]
It's no trouble at all to set up on a control point mis-positioned 1 foot (0.305 meters) and nearly perfectly set out 3 monuments.
Better read on where these 3 points are from before blabbing and revealing your ignorance on the topic.
FrancisH, you are incapable of grasping sarcasm. Poor bunny.
Well, Francis, if you have a license (share your license number) unless you are ashamed of it. I have been licensed for over 20 yrs, and practicing for over 30. Actually, I began in 1973. And, I was born in 1965. So, you see, I am quite involved in my work.
I'd even dare say that I BUILD the maps, that you would USE and try to tie into 3 points on.
Without my maps, you'd be a bit lost.
No problem.
We are more than a one horse town.
N
FrancisH, you are incapable of grasping sarcasm. Poor bunny.
How can it be sarcasm when that is the gist of Cooley's doctrine and the bedrock of incompetent US surveyors.
Without my maps, you'd be a bit lost.
But aren't those based on erroneous corners that don't agree with deeds?
So if I am lost using bad maps would I be not lost? Or really lost?
So I guess it's better to be near where you don't want to be than be where you are not supposed to be.
O Francis, you should "Get Abroad more".
That's why I want your license number. To figure out how you got a license, without knowing this stuff.
Nate
Please stop feeding the troll.
This is to illustrate the point of Mulford's quote:
One day Ed Norton came home from his job working in the sewers to find new stakes 10' into his lot. His neighbor, Ralph, had commissioned Francis H to survey his lot. Ralph's wife, Alice was not directly involved but later she had to bring Ralph to his senses after threats of being sent to the moon were ignored.
FrancisH, post: 399833, member: 10211 wrote:
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That makes no sense at all.
Your job is to make accurate measurements where the line truly exist.
Why would you justify a shoddy job just because your corner is near where it should be?The owner himself could faulty locate his corner near where it should be all by his lonesome. Reason why he hired you so called professional surveyors is to locate his corners accurately where it should be located. Jeeeezz.[/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT]
let me explain how you got it partly wrong.
my job is to First find where the line is
Second would be making measurements (or having some kid do it)
Third would be making a clear record for the owner and the public to see what I did and why.
the rest is just arm waving and ego pumping.
Mark Mayer, post: 399849, member: 424 wrote: Please stop feeding the troll.
It took you until page 31 to say that? 🙂
Nate The Surveyor, post: 399846, member: 291 wrote: O Francis, you should "Get Abroad more".
That's why I want your license number. To figure out how you got a license, without knowing this stuff.Nate
Nate, he does not have one.
he is just a Troll.
but he does make it kinda fun
He could be a retired tripod jockey... never got his ticket, but worked under another surveyor, and never went beyond what he knows.
I just doubt he has a license.
He says he has one... but does not seem to recall the license number, and who gave it to him...
So, I am calling your cards.... If you have it.
N
You all are STILL in the mud pit wrestling the pig? Or feeding the troll? You are arguing with an ignorant, arrogant stump. Complete waste of time. Still, from the bleachers it remains mildly entertaining.
Surveyors are known for being arrogant stubborn cusses. I know cuz I are one. I'm giving Mr Francis a chance to redeem himself show us his LS number and who he got it from. I'm trying to help him out!
Nate
sometimes horseback is still the best way to survey. Lets me see down into the grass to find those old bearings and distances Ooopps, meant, Old stone monuments left by the locating surveyor, so I know where to go and find the next set of monuments, so I can build up the survey, and give the landowner a modern day description of his/her ranch.
What if a guy is indeed a retired land surveyor who you (we) are telling has been surveying wrong all of his life. You think you are going to get him to agree? I, have been feeding the troll but have run out of goodies.
BTW - I want to thank Wendell for not pulling this thread. Although it has gotten snarky at times, the discussion has brought out some familiar conversations for me. I often encounter "Francis" attitudes, and need to maintain my composure when responding - usually in the flesh.
