Mr. FrancisH May I go on record and say I really do not care what you think? Your lack of respect and arrogance attitude is due to the distance from those you wish to insult. What if we were go together and fund you to come over here and give a seminar to all the us obviously ignorance surveyors, lawyers and judges? How in the world have we made it this far without your superior intelligence? Or maybe you could set up a subscription service so we could consult with you each day before we screw up any more boundaries. Please take the rest of the day and bask in the rays of your nonexistence intelligence. Over & out.
lmbrls, post: 399735, member: 6823 wrote: Mr. FrancisH May I go on record and say I really do not care what you think? Your lack of respect and arrogance attitude is due to the distance from those you wish to insult. What if we were go together and fund you to come over here and give a seminar to all the us obviously ignorance surveyors, lawyers and judges? How in the world have we made it this far without your superior intelligence? Or maybe you could set up a subscription service so we could consult with you each day before we screw up any more boundaries. Please take the rest of the day and bask in the rays of your nonexistence intelligence. Over & out.
How do you spell TROLL?
I doubt he is a real person, probably a surveyor of some sort... basement dweller?
^^humor^^
Peter Ehlert, post: 399741, member: 60 wrote: How do you spell TROLL?
I doubt he is a real person, probably a surveyor of some sort... basement dweller?
^^humor^^
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paden cash, post: 399744, member: 20 wrote: [MEDIA=youtube]e90PKN74hLk[/MEDIA]
My dad read that to me many many times.
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So you aren't just tying to three monuments on adjacent properties, you are looking @ all the evidence. Old fences that point right to your monument, improvements that appear to adhere to that monument...etc.
But isn't part of the evidences the deed description? As a surveyor, tell me, where is it more likely for you to make an error? in the fieldwork monumenting a corner or in your office while computing the traverse, corner sideshots and deed description? You could check your traverse for closure but more often than not, you will make a mistake in BS reading, set out computation, after a long day of setting under the sun.
So you aren't just tying to three monuments on adjacent properties, you are looking @ all the evidence. Old fences that point right to your monument, improvements that appear to adhere to that monument...etc.
But those 3 monuments are what you are accepting as holy truths in your present system right? I am just selecting those 3 monuments that have higher precision of position when compared to their deed. If those 3 monuments agree to within acceptable tolerances to their descriptions then it simply means that the previous survey was correct and any other monuments not within tolerances were poorly surveyed.
I have been surveying for the past 40+ years and I have yet to encounter a blunder in fieldwork that would give me a result close to the correct position.
I mean a surveyor using transit & chain 200 years ago that was able to position at least 3 corners from several adjoining lots to within today's acceptable tolerance knows what he is doing right? So following this train of logic, it must mean that his other corners were either moved, disturbed or destroyed over the years.
For every corner that is out of description position, you immediately assume that the surveyor intended to put it there. How do you know for sure? The owner could have moved it after he surveyed it a few feet away to increase his acreage without knowledge of his neighbor. He then built his fence and after a few years the present day surveyor immediately assumes that because there was a pin at the corner & there was a fence erected to the pin then all is where it should be. Disregarding what the same surveyor wrote on the description after he did his survey.
All for what? To go home early? To avoid quarreling neighbors? To avoid litigation?
Hey as long as you get paid you can hide behind Cooley's principle, to hell with your client's boundary right?
Mr. FrancisH May I go on record and say I really do not care what you think? Your lack of respect and arrogance attitude is due to the distance from those you wish to insult.
May I also go on record to say that I don't give a damn what you think.
If you call yourselves professional surveyors and measure the way you say you do using the Cooley defense today then you deserve all the insults that you think I spewed out in this topic.
The simple definition of a land surveyor
The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Congress_on_Surveying_and_Mapping&apos ;">American Congress on Surveying and Mapping (ACSM), defines surveying as the science and art of making all essential measurements to determine the relative position of points or physical and cultural details above, on, or beneath the surface of the Earth, and to depict them in a usable form, or to establish the position of points or details.
What you are doing does not even constitute measurements. It's more of guesstimation.
Once again, you just can't fix stupid. Bless your heart. Your future insignificant posts will be ignored. Have a good day. I was so traumatized by your post that last night I took a half of a baby aspirin to get to sleep (of course I do that every night).
It's always funny
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It's funny - I'm attending a Jeff Lucas seminar tomorrow. Francis represents the ultimate argument in favor of the Pincushion Effect.
Re-reading the first ten replies to to Paden ' s original post covers some excellent surveying principles.
And then that 11th reply - sheesh!
Warren Smith, post: 399810, member: 9900 wrote: It's funny - I'm attending a Jeff Lucas seminar tomorrow. Francis represents the ultimate argument in favor of the Pincushion Effect.
And from FrancisH's last response I'm certain that he never read A.C. Mulford's book.
Apples! Get your apples here!
Oranges! Get your oranges here!
Grapefruits! Get your grapefruits here!
Nuts! We attract'em!
"Yes Sir, Ah was born and bred in a briar patch"..... Good tune!
I have been thinking....
If We have given Mr. Francis plenty of reason to understand our system. But, he Insists on, casting dispersions, without considering.
This ultimately means that he is either:
1.) A one tune fiddler. Sincere, without knowledge, and locked in it. Probably has no license, or anything. Maybe an architects assistant.
Or
2.) Strictly a troll.
"Yes Sir, Ah was born and bred in a briar patch"
Good tune!
FrancisH, post: 399797, member: 10211 wrote: I am just selecting those 3 monuments that have higher precision of position when compared to their deed. If those 3 monuments agree to within acceptable tolerances to their descriptions then it simply means that the previous survey was correct and any other monuments not within tolerances were poorly surveyed.
What an overly simplistic view of land surveying.
I have been surveying for the past 40+ years and I have yet to encounter a blunder in fieldwork that would give me a result close to the correct position.
[SARCASM]Your logic is stunning! So you haven't found a blunder that gave the correct position in over 40 years of surveying. How would you (or anyone else for that matter) know?[/SARCASM]
I mean a surveyor using transit & chain 200 years ago that was able to position at least 3 corners from several adjoining lots to within today's acceptable tolerance knows what he is doing right? So following this train of logic, it must mean that his other corners were either moved, disturbed or destroyed over the years.
Note to self: If I am agreement with at least three pins set by a previous surveyor that means he knew what he was doing....check.
Thanks for the early morning giggles, FrancisH.
Note to self: If I am agreement with at least three pins set by a previous surveyor that means he knew what he was doing....check.
I think I understand why you can't grasp the 3 monument concept. I think none of you or previous surveyors were able to layout 3 correct monuments ever? Is this why you find that concept so incredulous? Is that it? Really? You can't layout correctly using transit or GPS 3 correct monuments.
Hey, Francis, Do you have a survey license? HELLO! Or are you an instrument man? A wannabe?
Your logic is stunning! So you haven't found a blunder that gave the correct position in over 40 years of surveying. How would you (or anyone else for that matter) know?
well if you have not heard of the concept of checking your work then it would explain why you never encountered a blunder.
if you don't close your traverse or level run then you won't catch a blunder.
i guess you don't do those things right Gene?
for a respectable surveyor those checks & rechecks are what you do to get to the 15cm precision work level.
sorry but I don't have Cooley to run to everytime I can't do my job properly.
Hey, Francis, Do you have a survey license? HELLO! Or are you an instrument man? A wannabe?
Yes I do have a license Nate, although have not used it since retirement. You know holding a new javad unit close to your chest does not mean that you know how to use it to its full potential.
So you have all the latest gizmos and yet you don't really understand the purpose of your profession.