Here is the type of fence we usually have to deal with. Usually pretty east to jump over.
Lots of blowdown to deal with on this one. Next station is just visible.
Luckily I could walk across the beaver dam to cross this as the line went right across the middle.
Saved about 300 feet of chopping on this shot.
Found the corner! Will have to cut this tree down to put a punch mark on the true corner.lol
pretty moss shot
> Found the corner! Will have to cut this tree down to put a punch mark on the true corner.lol
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So in 1976 some New Hampshire surveyor made a corner and just decided to use a tree for the "monument" instead of setting something better? I mean, the "1976" inscription suggests that was the original date of establishment of that corner. I can now understand why you say that most New Hampshire surveyors wouldn't need anything more than a compass and a Disto to survey .
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> So in 1976 some New Hampshire surveyor made a corner and just decided to use a tree for the "monument" instead of setting something better? I mean, the "1976" inscription suggests that was the original date of establishment of that corner. I can now understand why you say that most New Hampshire surveyors wouldn't need anything more than a compass and a Disto to survey .
Actually, the tree was marked during the 1976 Perambulation of the Littleton-Lyman Town line. The beech tree (now dead) was originally called for in a 1910 deed when it was a mere 6" tree! As the parcel was fenced an cleared at that time, and the boundary lines have been periodically reblazed over the previous century, the beech tree served as a perfectly fine monument.
> Actually, the tree was marked during the 1976 Perambulation of the Littleton-Lyman Town line. The beech tree (now dead) was originally called for in a 1910 deed when it was a mere 6" tree!
Okay, that makes sense, aside from the 1976 date. And aside from using a dead tree for anything. At some point, aren't surveyors required to be involved in any of this stuff or are volunteer firemen always sufficient?
> Okay, that makes sense, aside from the 1976 date. And aside from using a dead tree for anything. At some point, aren't surveyors required to be involved in any of this stuff or are volunteer firemen always sufficient?
You got that right! The perambulations are performed by lay people, but are only for town lines. Personally, maintaining boundaries is as important as setting flush monuments at the corners to the nearest hundredth and calling it good, leaving the land owner to wonder where the line is between. I really don't the mcmillian-style surveying would work around here.
By the way, the tree has survived as a durable monument for over a century and has served it's purpose well. This 180 acre parcel is now being resurveyed and it's location will be preserved.
> By the way, the tree has survived as a durable monument for over a century and has served it's purpose well.
Oh, you mean the 1976 tree? That was only 37 years ago. Is there some reason to think that the tree was originally used as a boundary marker at some time before 1976 or do the volunteer firemen determine that one?
> > By the way, the tree has survived as a durable monument for over a century and has served it's purpose well.
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> Oh, you mean the 1976 tree? That was only 37 years ago. Is there some reason to think that the tree was originally used as a boundary marker at some time before 1976 or do the volunteer firemen determine that one?
If you reread my post from 00:03, you will have your answer. (Hint: Called for in 1910 deed.)
> (Hint: Called for in 1910 deed.)
Oh, I got that bit, but was it described as being marked "1976" in the 1910 deed? Is this business of cutting new marks in old trees suspected of having marks standard practice in New Hampshire?
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> Oh, I got that bit, but was it described as being marked "1976" in the 1910 deed? Is this business of cutting new marks in old trees suspected of having marks standard practice in New Hampshire?
Now kent, you're just being silly. As my post said, the tree was called for in the 1910 deed.
The tree was marked in 1976 during the last perambulation of the town line. There are also lots of older marks on the tree from previous perambulations. If you read these perambulations, they mention the marks found during their perambulation, providing a continuous record of that tree over the past century (not bad for fire-fighters). It was also referenced in at least two other surveys somewhere in the 1950's.
> Now kent, you're just being silly. As my post said, the tree was called for in the 1910 deed.
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> The tree was marked in 1976 during the last perambulation of the town line. There are also lots of older marks on the tree from previous perambulations. If you read these perambulations, they mention the marks found during their perambulation, providing a continuous record of that tree over the past century (not bad for fire-fighters).
So, did these volunteer firemen have their X-ray glasses on or did they just find some whacked-up looking tree and decide that was where their spider sense said had to be the corner? Does the US Power Squadron do township perambulation updates, by any chance?
The point is that whenever amateurs are involved things rapidly get seduced. I'm not the trusting soul that you seem to be in such matters.
> > Now kent, you're just being silly. As my post said, the tree was called for in the 1910 deed.
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> > The tree was marked in 1976 during the last perambulation of the town line. There are also lots of older marks on the tree from previous perambulations. If you read these perambulations, they mention the marks found during their perambulation, providing a continuous record of that tree over the past century (not bad for fire-fighters).
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> So, did these volunteer firemen have their X-ray glasses on or did they just find some whacked-up looking tree and decide that was where their spider sense said had to be the corner? Does the US Power Squadron do township perambulation updates, by any chance?
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> The point is that whenever amateurs are involved things rapidly get seduced. I'm not the trusting soul that you seem to be in such matters.
The difference between you and me is that i don't immediately assume that everyone else around me is an idiot. I've found that even the most illiterate, backwoods yokel can be quite smart if you give them a chance. Following old perambulations, reblazing and paint existing marked lines and writing a written report w/ general compass bearings is not exactly rocket science. It is far more useful that GPSing the corners and driving an iron with a fancy cap to the nearest hundreth.
> The point is that whenever amateurs are involved things rapidly get seduced. ...
I assume that the amateurs are at least good-looking amateurs, and pretty smooth talkers to boot. 😉
Get off his back McMillan. Perambulations of town lines have been going on for centuries by town officials and serves it's purpose well. Professionals like Perry know the limitations. Every measurement does not need to be to the highest possible accuracy.
> Get off his back McMillan. Perambulations of town lines have been going on for centuries by town officials and serves it's purpose well.
Exactly. Why would one want to hire a professional surveyor when a good survey would actually locate the town line permanently and exactly? As far as I can tell, New Hampshire surveying begins with the idea that a compass ought to be good enough for almost anything and ends with the idea that anyone can run a compass. I'm frankly not certain why land surveyors are licensed in New Hampshire if any crowd of laymen can do it.
Kent, even if you feel that places other than Texas my not live up to your standards, your condescending attitude toward others in the field is pretty sad. I know if I were to act this way towards clients and other surveyors I would not be in business long. I find myself defending our profession to many client who had past encounters with surveyors who would treat them like idiots. A little respect goes a long way.
> Kent, even if you feel that places other than Texas my not live up to your standards, your condescending attitude toward others in the field is pretty sad. I know if I were to act this way towards clients and other surveyors I would not be in business long.
Hold the phone. Is Perry Williams a surveyor? I thought he was an engineer. My bad if I'm wrong on that detail.
Kent is so predictale
> > As far as I can tell, New Hampshire surveying begins with the idea that a compass ought to be good enough for almost anything and ends with the idea that anyone can run a compass. I'm frankly not certain why land surveyors are licensed in New Hampshire if any crowd of laymen can do it.
Kent, I know you are just being funny here, but you are pretty much looking like a jerk to the rest of the board. It's exactly as I predicted this thread would go. I don't believe I've seen compass surveys in New Hampshire for 50 years or so, except an occasion sketch of timber lands.
Kent is so predictale
> I don't believe I've seen compass surveys in New Hampshire for 50 years or so, except an occasion sketch of timber lands.
So, what do you call a survey oriented to magnetic North, then, eh? I mean isn't the entire idea to assist Joe Amateur in resurveying the lines with his compass as in the case of the town lines you mentioned?
Perambulations
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> Exactly. Why would one want to hire a professional surveyor when a good survey would actually locate the town line permanently and exactly? As far as I can tell, New Hampshire surveying begins with the idea that a compass ought to be good enough for almost anything and ends with the idea that anyone can run a compass. I'm frankly not certain why land surveyors are licensed in New Hampshire if any crowd of laymen can do it.
Perambulations are not run much anymore. They used to be required to be run every 7 years, but I believe the state stopped requiring them a couple decades ago. Any town line work now is done by modern survey methods.
Compass Survey for Kent
> > I don't believe I've seen compass surveys in New Hampshire for 50 years or so, except an occasion sketch of timber lands.
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> So, what do you call a survey oriented to magnetic North, then, eh? I mean isn't the entire idea to assist Joe Amateur in resurveying the lines with his compass as in the case of the town lines you mentioned?
Now Kent..
A Compass Survey is a survey where a Compass is used to measure the bearings around a traverse on the ground. If I take one of your surveys and rotate it to a magnetic bearing, it does not magically become a Compass Survey.
Every boundary survey I have ever worked on was run with a Total Station to determine angle.
But you knew that already. Again. You are so predictable.
