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Here is the deed when the 1 acre was first created in 1871. After that is was transferred the to the Diocese in Dubuque in 1912 then the Diocese of Sioux City, then to the St. Patrick's Catholic church.?ÿ


 
Posted : August 2, 2020 7:41 pm
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@bigd1320

Recommend starting out by following the words of the deed precisely.  Also be prepared on short notice to draw in the other boundaries of lands owned by the cemetery rather accurately.  Discuss your findings with the client and do so in great detail.  Be prepared to answer as many questions as possible and also be prepared to name the other parties and a good attorney very familiar with real estate issues along with their contact information.  

This is not a candidate for the wham/bam/all done category of survey project.


 
Posted : August 2, 2020 8:56 pm
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historicaerials.com shows the tree line northeast of the cemetery as far back as its earliest photo from 1939.

An unofficial history is at:?ÿ http://www.celticcousins.net/irishiniowa/stpatricksonthelizard.htm listing peope who gave land and that 3 acres was later purchased for the cemetery.?ÿ

A couple pictures of the building along with this history

https://holytrinitywci.org/st-patrick-on-the-lizard


 
Posted : August 2, 2020 9:06 pm
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Rt. Rev. (Right Reverend) is an English title used by Bishops in the Church of England and U.S. Episcopal Church.

Roman Catholics in the U.S. use Most Reverend for Bishops (to add to the confusion Anglican Archbishops use Most Reverend). The exception is in the U.K. RC Bishops use Right Reverend like their Anglican counterparts.

It is most likely that taking title as Bishop of Dubuque means the title is vested in the office, not the person. This is an English concept known as the corporation sole. The corporation sole owns the property, not the person occupying the see at any given time. More modern Deeds will say the Roman Catholic Bishop or the Episcopal Bishop to clear up any confusion about which Bishop is intended by the Deed.


 
Posted : August 2, 2020 9:08 pm
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@bill93

Fantastic info, Bill.  I note the first burial occurred in 1871.  This is about five miles west of Clare, Iowa.  Interesting that the primary location of gravestones does not fall on this parcel.

 

The first burial.

 

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/17131464/murtagh-dempsey

 

Scroll in on the "?" to see how they think the cemetery is bounded  https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/96233/saint-patricks-cemetery/map


 
Posted : August 3, 2020 2:53 am

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Posted by: @holy-cow

Scroll in on the "?" to see how they think the cemetery is bounded

That is just somebody's contribution to Open Street Map coloring in the apparent occupation, which anyone could do from any aerial photo.


 
Posted : August 3, 2020 7:05 am
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Posted by: @bigd1320

Here is the deed

Gee, I was feeling good about solving the location puzzle (while not publishing the answer), and here a few minutes later you posted the deed.

I looked in your home county and adjacent ones for a road that curved like that between sections 24 and 19, and didn't find it.?ÿ Then you mentioned another county so I expanded the search along county lines and found it, an hour+ drive from your town.


 
Posted : August 3, 2020 7:32 am
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In Iowa it takes an action of the court to decide boundaries by acquiescence. Heer v. Thola

Boundaries by agreement do not require a court action - just a recorded binding agreement. Surveyors in Iowa need to be very careful about a distinction between determining boundaries by acquiescence vs. a boundary by written agreement. Iowa surveyors cannot decide acquiescence even though some like to think they can. They can and often do show occupation lines as the boundary and it may well be so in the eyes of the court be but that doesn't make it so without a final court decision and leaves the job half done. It's up to the owners to decide if the rectangle holds or the triangle because the evidence is in dispute with the record shape. The surveyor is unauthorized to make this determination. I urge you to consider this to reduce your own liability.?ÿ

355.4

The surveyor shall acquire data necessary to retrace record title boundaries, center lines, and other boundary line locations in accordance with the legal descriptions including applicable provisions of chapter 650. The surveyor shall analyze the data and make a careful determination of the position of the boundaries of the parcel or tract of land being surveyed. The surveyor shall make a field survey, locating and connecting monuments necessary for location of the parcel or tract and coordinate the facts of the survey with the analysis and legal description. The surveyor shall place monuments marking the corners of the parcel or tract unless monuments already exist at the corners.

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650.17 Boundaries by agreement.

Any lost or disputed corner or boundary may be determined by written agreement of all parties thereby affected, signed and acknowledged by each as required for conveyances of real estate, clearly designating the same, and accompanied by a plat thereof, which shall be recorded as an instrument affecting real estate, and shall be binding upon their heirs, successors, and assigns.


 
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