They could have simply dug up the concrete monument and set in back in the original location before some big yellow machine disturbed where it was originally placed.
They could have simply dug up the concrete monument and set in back in the original location before some big yellow machine disturbed where it was originally placed.
The concrete mon checked with its mate nearly 2000' away at the opposite end of the tangent within .2' of record. Anything set above grade is vulnerable to a hydro axe, or anything else for that matter. Of course it's not lost on me that I'm surveying with the latest in cutting?ÿedge technology, so naturally my measurements are superior.?ÿ
They could have simply dug up the concrete monument and set in back in the original location before some big yellow machine disturbed where it was originally placed.
?ÿOf course it's not lost on me that I'm surveying with the latest in cutting?ÿedge technology, so naturally my measurements are superior.?ÿ
Concrete Mon controls ROW location, but not the PC location
Rebar with cap is someone's mathemagical determination of the PC location (using the "hold the tangents and the record radius, let the PCs and PTs move up and back station" idea)
Pipe with cap is the shared platted corner of the subdivisions--set by the first subdivision, held by the second.
Concrete Mon controls ROW location, but not the PC location
Rebar with cap is someone's mathemagical determination of the PC location (using the "hold the tangents and the record radius, let the PCs and PTs move up and back station" idea)
Pipe with cap is the shared platted corner of the subdivisions--set by the first subdivision, held by the second.
The Highway Department Surveor claims the concrete monuments are not the correct monument to use. He says they weren't accurately set. There are steel pins located 3 to 6 feet away you should use. I disagree. The concrete monuments are shown on the R/W Plat and the iron pin offsets are not readily available?ÿ
The Highway Department Surveor claims the concrete monuments are not the correct monument to use. He says they weren't accurately set. There are steel pins located 3 to 6 feet away you should use. I disagree. The concrete monuments are shown on the R/W Plat and the iron pin offsets are not readily available?ÿ
I have the same problem here, only I have no alternatives most of the time but to accept these contractor set concrete row mons as nothing else was set. Gives me such a warm fuzzy when our own DOT won't accept their own monuments and Im left with little else to go on.
So many years ago I was working on some bridge replacement projects in Middle & South Georgia and during the course of the survey we picked up Concrete RW Monuments and all the property corners.
Most all the property corners matched reasonably close to the concrete monuments when you consider it was very rural farmland. However the road was not even close to matching.
Called the D.O.T. and their response was that the Road is the monument and the Concrete Monuments are the accessories. The road (they claimed) was the controlling feature.
I should add that the R/W Agent at the D.O.T. claimed that the R/W was able to move with the roadway. If they added some extra asphalt and the course of the road was changed then by golly the R/W has got to move. So over the years that is exactly how they treated it. Wrong as a turd in a punch bowl.
Call me twisted JAS but I rather appreciate our DOT and what they do though they aren't perfect. Their data has saved me countless hours in pulling together various projects and at the end of the day if someone has heartburn over what I did I can tell them to go take it up with DOT because what I did was based on their claims,?ÿmonuments and data,?ÿunless I find something to the?ÿcontrary.?ÿA lot of PLO?ÿroads I've dealt with the only evidence of the ROW location?ÿis the road itself. There's just nothing else to hang your hat on.
The r/w plans rule over the location of their monuments.
In AK, the ROW plans are essentially index maps. They are NEVER the document that acquires the interest but, typically, do point you to the document, or in the case of PLO ROWs, show you the surveyor's (who's preparing the ROW plans) assessment of where the PLO centerline is. Some of the ROW plans were prepared by folks that didn't have the education, experience, testing, and motivation to take and pass the exam (and didn't know enough about boundary law). This isn't true of recent times but there was a period when ROW plans were pretty squirrely - so... some of them are a very poor representation of where the PLO centerline is. ROW Plans - a great tool that shows an aggregation of title docs, ties to cadastral corners, centerline data - they may be defensible and they may not - either way they are not the doc that transferred title/created the ROW.?ÿ
Regarding the concrete ROW mons - some were set to be the ROW boundary and some were set to be clearing/maint limits. You have to assess the mons to determine whether or not you are justified in accepting them. It would be hard to defend concrete ROW mons when the majority of them in the area didn't correlate well to the original centerline or other record evidence - these were probably just pushed out of the back of a truck by the lowest paid person on the construction crew. On the other hand - if the conc ROW mons in the area fit well enough to suggest that they were intended to represent the ROW, you better accept them or be prepared to explain why they weren't held. You're looking for harmony among a number of conc ROW mons and other evidence - a single concrete ROW mon isn't enough to say hold/don't hold.
Todays pic from the 'Guess which corner controls what!' game.
The 'point' where two subdivisions join at the PC of a road originally monumented in 1969.
Call the guy who stamped the mon and ask him how he determined the location. That LS number is from a long time ago and if he's stamping mons he should be intimately knowledgeable about the evidence evaluation and boundary law that he used to determine that location.?ÿ I would love to sit in on that phone conversation. If he can't tell you anything about it then maybe the work (or any of the other work that he's stamping) wasn't performed under his direct control or supervision and it's time for him to retire his license.?ÿ
The center line controls the location of the highway ROW.?ÿ That's fine but most of the evidence available to locate the center line is the ROW markers.?ÿ So the ROW marker don't fit exactly.?ÿ So it becomes a tweaking tweak.?ÿ If the row makers fit close ( a fuzzy term different for each surveyor) I usually just use them as is but some don't fit very well at all.?ÿ I've never tried to move the whole road but have seen some that didn't seem bothered that the road and the row were in different locations.?ÿ You'd think they would wonder why they didn't build the road on the row.
