Monuments are for landowners; Dimples on caps are for surveyors.
;o)
JBS
It's not P&R style until
JD shows up and says he like pink flagging...
1/4 corner markings- no cross
per the 73 manual which i believe is the same in the 09 manual-
from this source 'cause it's easy.- and online-
[sarcasm]ummm railroad spikes are never "set" always just "found".... amazing....[/sarcasm]
1/4 corner markings- no cross
Some have a T also like CC's. Then there are L's and others also.
"Hi, my name's Paden and I'm a punchaholic..."
😀 Funny!
Anytime you can use the line....
> "I was living in a van down by the river."
Makes me laugh.
"Hi, my name's Paden and I'm a punchaholic..."
No kidding, Scott, Paden nailed it hilariously.
One day at a time.
🙂 Just give me twelve steps, give me twelve steps, Mister...
Don
A relatively recent survey plan for an 80 acre lot called for a 3 foot oak as one of the corners. Try as I might, I couldn't find a punch mark.
> BTW...
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> I wonder what goes through a landowners mind when he looks at an aluminum cap with a punch mark 1/2 inch from center... maybe it looks to him like sloppy work? Maybe if it's explained in detail in the written survey report it just becomes silly to him?
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BTW
I have learned from experience never to underestimate the intelligence of any client.
Basic elementary school math defines that a line has endpoints.
Some questions for the "NON-DOT'ers"
> > There is a difference between stones in the great empty where land goes for a few hundred $ an acre and a stone near subdivision development.
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> Until some resource is discovered on that vast wasteland 🙂
That's exactly right. With modern technology, the increment in cost in surveying boundaries as if they matter is minimal, so why not do it?
Some questions for the "NON-DOT'ers"
> Yes, that stone was located strictly for mineral development. Mucho more valuable than the land. But leaving the stone in place makes me feel more comfortable than replacing it and digging the stone into the ground.
I agree that leaving the stone in place is what I'd do, but I'd also "declare" a center to the stone by putting at least a small drill hole in it to mark the actual corner. If you do it carefully, who can prove you wrong? Nobody? And the benefits should be obvious.
Monuments hold, not dimples!
> Actually, probably the better statement (appropriate to your example above) is that if an original monument has been disturbed, it isn't an original monument any more. An object remains a boundary monument for so long as it retains its original position. I don't see this as being some theoretical paper in the the realm of Rocket Science. If your whatever is no longer where it was placed when the boundary was originally established, your whatever is no longer a boundary monument. Next.
WOW! Why can I imagine you disregarding an original that is bent over, because your proportion is more mathematically pleasing, or, matches record better?! (30 ft. away) (3 ft.) or (0.30 ft.) OR, by your standards, (0.03 ft.), or is it (3 MM)? I could care less, unless I was working for you, then I would uphold your law to the highest standard physically and mentally possible!
Is there any way I could receive a first-hand "HELL WEEK" from you Kent? I would enjoy that immensely!
Tie in your interpretation, and monument it! If you found it first, it would be hard to argue with!
In my country, we deal with at least a chain per mile! Sometimes 4 degrees and a half chain in a 1/4 mile between bonafide upright originals! (1870's 3-mile)
IF, the reality of your complete control network's (after conventional traverse adjustment) ERROR ELLIPSE is the diameter of your dimple mark, by all means, DIMPLE AWAY! If not, your KIDDING YOURSELF! To every man his own!
DIMPLES are PERSONAL and not SOCIAL!
1870 section cor.!
Do you agree with my co-worker's mental "punch mark", or do you need all of our raw GPS data, as well as technical adjustment reports on our ROD and BASE?!
Obviously, not enough information, but I will let you find it on your own and interpret the available evidence! Hurry up, because it is going to get remonumented pretty soon!
[sarcasm]Good night, sleep tight, and don't let the bed bugs bite![/sarcasm]
"Hi, my name's Paden and I'm uncertain ... "
> "Hi Paden", replies the group.
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> "You know, it started out innocently enough. We were all young surveyors trying to do our best. It was real common for us all to want to know exactly which point to hold the plumb bob over. It was refreshing and relaxing."
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> A few in the crowd hang their shaking heads.
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> "But then I realized it empowered me. After a few years it wasn't good enough to just hold a plumb bob over some stable mark on the ground. I had to make it possible for others to do the same, discreetly, of course."
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> "Pretty soon it was all I did. I lived for figuring out where corners were. I had to locate least one or two per day before I even left the office for an AA meeting. My wife wouldn't talk to me and the kids were afraid of me because they'd read on BeerLeg.com that *real* surveyors don't actually *know* where boundary corners are. I remember once I accused my youngest of thinking he might want to own a punch some day if he ever became a surveyor.
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> "Then one day, after I lost it all, I wanted to die. I was living in a van down by the river. The BOR was on my case, claiming I was endangering the profession by wanting to know where boundary corners actually were. It drove me to drink.
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> "But then an older surveyor, I'll call him "Kent", dropped by and talked me up a bit..and brought me here to the message board. It's been tough. I'm not gonna lie to you all and tell you I haven't forgotten to punch a cap. Punchless caps are popular and the folks you used to hang out with, the *enablers* will give you a million excuses for it. But in those quiet moments, you know. You're a better person now that you have that punch and carry it with you at all times.
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> "Thanks, Paden", applauded the crowd.
Couldn't have said it better myself. :>
> So if doing things for show is an important and distinct hallmark of quality to the landowner, why then do you persist in using such a plain North arrow?
Well, mainly because the folks who are faking it put their energies into drawing ... fancy-boy North arrows, instead of expending the energy where it belongs. No brainer.
> A relatively recent survey plan for an 80 acre lot called for a 3 foot oak as one of the corners. Try as I might, I couldn't find a punch mark.
Well, I trust you found the center of the tree and set some witness monuments on line running from it. Oh wait, are you in NEW HAMPSHIRE? My bad. :>
Monuments hold, not dimples!
> WOW! Why can I imagine you disregarding an original that is bent over, because your proportion is more mathematically pleasing, or, matches record better?!
Umm, could it be because you didn't understand the obvious points I posted? I'm thinking: "May be, could be". :>
As Bugs said it, What a bunch of maroons!
> the correct point which may be a couple of hundredths off center, and record the position of the corner as marked.
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Either you are an inherently better surveyor than anyone I know, or you have lots of extra time. How many angles and distances and cross ties does it take with a top of the line instrument, in order to know if you are 0.01' off in a small lot survey, much less a section or two?
I have never met a landowner that would pay for that.
And that is the point. (Or dot.)
But, for all that, I always make sure that we have a definite point, if only to keep some other person from punching it... Not that that always works...
> > A relatively recent survey plan for an 80 acre lot called for a 3 foot oak as one of the corners. Try as I might, I couldn't find a punch mark.
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> Well, I trust you found the center of the tree and set some witness monuments on line running from it. Oh wait, are you in NEW HAMPSHIRE? My bad. :>
If I was running the show, a witness monument would have been set. I believe it is required by state standards. To tell you the truth, there were four 3 foot oaks with barb wire running thru them and I never did find out which one was the darn corner!
> > So if doing things for show is an important and distinct hallmark of quality to the landowner, why then do you persist in using such a plain North arrow?
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> Well, mainly because the folks who are faking it put their energies into drawing ... fancy-boy North arrows, instead of expending the energy where it belongs. No brainer.
Yes, I agree that inserting the block with the fancy North Arrow I designed 15 years ago takes too long at a whopping 5 seconds. Then another five seconds to insert it again and explode it to show the angle relation between grid and geodetic.
Yes, I see the error of my ways that my North arrow deliniation takes just too long at 2 minutes for grid surveys.
LOL!!!!
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De siempre mi amigo, un hermoso toque!