References to adjoiners are critical, I tend to use the document rather than the name as the reference. Line calls are important, they often resolve issues connected to the grant. The name of adjoiners is one way to reference, I don't see a problem with that, but I'd rather do the instrument # or lot #,,,,,,,,,,, personal preference.?ÿ
Not playing attorney doesn't extend to resolving issues a surveyor is capable of resolving.?ÿ
I don't think the OP was saying don't call for adjoiners. That is critical information. His admonition (as I understood it) was not to drift from preparing a description to including elements of the legal document itself. I see variations of that all the time and it can have disastrous effects, especially when we don't even know we are doing it...
I would really like to buy all of the tracts owned by the three siblings, add in quit claim deeds from them for the two quarter sections in which these tracts appear, then do the quiet title thing to clear up some issues that date back at least 75 years.?ÿ In the end, I could then do a complete replat of that area plus other parts I already own.
I was thinking that you'd had a plan or two of your own that would make things easier for everyone.?ÿ
I feel like if I was to win some ridiculous lottery I'd go out and buy up the problem projects( no Superfund or NPL NOT ME) and clean up some of the blight across the open spaces of the country.
But then I'd have to play the lottery, and probably lose the momentum to want to do that and do more Important things.
Like make sure my family and friends were safe and comfy until they depart.
Good luck with the endeavor either way. Hopefully they're open to listening to the process but like most humans, we all have a bit of indignation when people try to tell us what we should do.
SWMBOAWD reminds me all the time.
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@jph it's not a liability thing, why not just reference a Block & Lot number?
@murphy the N/F ownership is irrelevant information, the Lot & Block/Parcel number with a deed book and page provides far more information than a name does.
We live in a large country. ?ÿIn a metes and bounds state it is standard practice to call for an adjoiner. ?ÿFor someone with no experience outside of the PLSS this may be difficult to understand. ?ÿ
When in Rome do as the Romans do.
If you describe your south line, same being the north line of the adjoiner, you should not have any gaps.?ÿ The problem comes in when some well meaning entity acquiesces to something not called for - reason enough to call for the adjoiner to hopefully rid ambiguity.
One of the original POB rags had a good article on legal descriptions.
@chris-bouffard I recently used a grantor/grantee index to solve an expensive access issue. The owners had no apparent reason to include instrument numbers of the 'unrelated' documents, but the call for parties cleared up the mess. That is a common occurrence back East.
Every County in every State has some unique background. Blanket statements about what to include usually have some validity, but excluding without local knowledge doesn't work out...
This has nothing to do with PLSS/non PLSS. Adjoiners names show up in both. It seems pointless to me. The name a of neighbor who left 20 years ago is a lot less useful than a book and page (or a lot and block, or an aliqout part...).
If you describe your south line, same being the north line of the adjoiner, you should not have any gaps.?ÿ The problem comes in when some well meaning entity acquiesces to something not called for - reason enough to call for the adjoiner to hopefully rid ambiguity.
One of the original POB rags had a good article on legal descriptions.
Adjoining land should most definitely be called for. I don't think any one is arguing otherwise, but a call for the description of the property is more useful than a call for an owner at any moment in time. It saves a lot of time when you can pull a specific document without searching the indexes and adding a the further complications of title being derived from a probate, or other court action, changed names, unrecorded inheritance...ect...
In my little world a call for the adjoining owner always includes a call for the deed book and page when I prepare the description.
Adjoining land should most definitely be called for.
I went to a seminar once where the presenter said to never call for an adjoiner if junior in title. Does make sense.
A call for an adjoiner is a call for a bounds. Nothing more. Any reliance on it as an indicator of which parcel has senior rights would be more than foolish.
Senior rights can only be determined by research and for me that means my research.
