Take it to the molecular level if you want, but, if it's hitting the 6" x 14" x 30" limestone somewhere, it's good enough for me.
Take it to the molecular level if you want, but, if it's hitting the 6" x 14" x 30" limestone somewhere, it's good enough for me.
That is fine for Kansas rangeland, it won't fly in beautiful downtown Beaverton, OR.?ÿ
@dougie?ÿ
Quite a lot of money being spent redeveloping downtown Beaverton. When land values are quoted by the square foot Records of Survey are expected to close to the hundredth. Precisions that are close enough for rural range land don't cut it in this kind of environment.?ÿ
In a metes and bounds description, the monument is the critical item.?ÿ The distance provided just has to be good enough to find the monument.
Someday we may get to the permanent coordinate to the nearest electron level but I will have retired my license by that time.
Another firm in the area was threatened with a law suit by a client who had no concept of the world of land surveying.?ÿ What people generally referred to as a "40", meaning a fourth of a quarter section, showed up to be only 37+ acres, not the 40.0000000000 acres he thought he was selling for $8000 per acre.?ÿ He soon learned to tuck his tail and go home, mad, but smarter.?ÿ What he should have done is priced the property as a lump sum for $320,000, take it or leave it.
Area, no matter the units, is a poor way to sell real estate.
Precisions that are close enough for rural range land don't cut it in this kind of environment.?ÿ
While I'm not disagreeing with you; I'm just wondering how many
6" x 14" x 30" limestone
You're uncovering in beautiful Downtown Beaver Town...
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So you can't see any circumstance where it might be useful to be able to distribute imperfections in dimensions in such a way as to make a description close, while fully honoring the quoted dimensions, to the stated precisions? No use for that? Ever??ÿ ?ÿ
Just slap that error - that you have manufactured - wherever! Its all good! Can't see it from my house. Awesome.?ÿ
You're uncovering in beautiful Downtown Beaver Town...
Not a single one. But that is central to my point here. There are places where you have to sweat the last hundredth in your measurements and misclosure in a description. If you can make that misclosure disappear altogether by taking advantage of some rounding to your dimensions life will get easier.?ÿ
We rail about "expert measurers" who will contradict record measurements by a few hundredths, then resist attempts to deal with misclosures in the record in a mathematically rigorous way.?ÿ ?ÿ
Dat durned shurvayor in 1893 discovered a tree occupied the section corner and reported such in his notes for all to see.?ÿ So, if I find that ancient tree still alive, that tree is the corner.?ÿ No one knows precisely where the center of that tree, at some elevation above ground, was located in 1893.?ÿ Can't be precise to a gnat's heiny if no one knows where the gnat's heiny might be.
Apparently, we are to decide where perfection is and demand that all who follow agree with MY decision only.?ÿ No one else's.?ÿ That's putting tinier dimples in tiny dimples.?ÿ IT DOES NOT MATTER.?ÿ Perfection is a concept, not a reality.?ÿ The entire monument is the corner.?ÿ Closure is not a problem no matter which speck on that monument is decided to be the conclusive mathematical construct.
One might as well try to define the exact center of the Mississippi River as it passes between two States.?ÿ It will be a fraction of some unit different tomorrow and next week and next month and next year and next decade and next century and next millennium.?ÿ It is a concept. Placing a sewing needle in the bottom at that point will only assure it won't match the next measurer's opinion tomorrow.
In every tale about hidden pirate treasure, it is clear that X marks the spot.?ÿ But where within that physical X is the spot?
if no one knows where the gnat's heiny might be.
Then no one can tell you you're wrong...
Deep Ends. Depends. (Adult diapers)
Dependable.
It all depends.
Nate
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@brad-ott My mother is 90. She had me fix her mantis tiller, recently. So she can get her tomaters in. You are walking on dangerous territory.
Nate
@nate-the-surveyor I thought there was no error, just rounding.
@jitterboogie your state statutes are not going to help you locate a corner very often. Your state common law will.?ÿ
@aliquot?ÿ
not locate, but rehabilitate or restore.
I really had no sleep and my answer was more a question for you and the other LS group because I don't know much yet, but I'm learning.
@nate-the-surveyor I thought there was no error, just rounding.
Rounding is an intentionally introduced error.
Without knowing the equipment and methods used how does anyone know if the bearings were rounded? When my computer adjusts it I can have it spit out to a thousandth of a second if I want. ?ÿOn a small parcel with a number of short legs because of parcel shape and topography that would be ridiculous if using a 20 second instrument and a 300 ft. tape.
While time marches on, the legal principles concerning Original, First and Retracement surveys stand completely still.
.... the legal principles concerning Original, First and Retracement surveys ....
I have previously challenged the board to present statutory or case law supporting the idea of the "first surveyor". So far, none has been forthcoming. IMO, there are called for monuments and un-called for monuments.?ÿ ?ÿ?ÿ?ÿ
Is there a legitimate reason to round numbers to the minute and tenth, assuming the work is tighter than that?