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If Corner Records are created for CL ties specifically for a City that has it's own tie books and records, does the Corner Record need to be filed with the County??ÿ (In California).?ÿ We are getting mixed answers on this, even from the County Surveyor's office.?ÿ?ÿ

Normally, we have been doing the CRs and sending them to the County Surveyor for approval and filing.?ÿ With CR done for a City, can we skip this??ÿ

UPDATE: So according to the County Surveyor and the City Engineer, we do not need to file Corner Records with the County if they are within the City's jurisdiction and available for review/research.?ÿ This seems strange, almost uncomfortable, to me.?ÿ?ÿ


 
Posted : December 21, 2021 12:31 pm
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No, it shouldn't be skipped. The county surveyor files it after their review and approval, the county recorder doesn't record it, at least in California.


 
Posted : December 21, 2021 1:07 pm
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It looks like per Code 8771 and 8773 that it is only required to be filed with the County Surveyor if it is a government corner. I've only filed with the County Surveyor and not a city, so I'm interested in other answers.


 
Posted : December 21, 2021 1:19 pm
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Posted by: @acd-surveyor

It looks like per Code 8771 and 8773 that it is only required to be filed with the County Surveyor if it is a government corner.

Not so.?ÿ ??8771(b) speaks about monuments "that control the location of subdivisions, tracts, boundaries, roads, streets, or highways, or provide horizontal or vertical survey control," and ??8771(c) states that a Corner Record or Record of Survey "shall be filed with the county surveyor."


 
Posted : December 21, 2021 2:54 pm
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Posted by: @jim-frame
Posted by: @acd-surveyor

It looks like per Code 8771 and 8773 that it is only required to be filed with the County Surveyor if it is a government corner.

Not so.?ÿ ??8771(b) speaks about monuments "that control the location of subdivisions, tracts, boundaries, roads, streets, or highways, or provide horizontal or vertical survey control," and ??8771(c) states that a Corner Record or Record of Survey "shall be filed with the county surveyor."

Thank you.?ÿ I think this is pretty solid.?ÿ?ÿ

"8771. Setting of monuments in general; monument perpetuation
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(b) When monuments exist that control the location of subdivisions, tracts, boundaries,
roads, streets, or highways, or provide horizontal or vertical survey control, the monuments shall
be located and referenced by or under the direction of a licensed land surveyor or licensed civil
engineer legally authorized to practice land surveying prior to the time when any streets,
highways, other rights-of-way, or easements are improved, constructed, reconstructed,
maintained, resurfaced, or relocated, and a corner record or record of survey of the references
shall be filed with the county surveyor.

(c) A permanent monument shall be reset in the surface of the new construction or a
witness monument or monuments set to perpetuate the location if any monument could be
destroyed, damaged, covered, disturbed, or otherwise obliterated, and a corner record or record
of survey shall be filed with the county surveyor prior to the recording of a certificate of
completion for the project. Sufficient controlling monuments shall be retained or replaced in
their original positions to enable property, right-of-way and easement lines, property corners, and
subdivision and tract boundaries to be reestablished without devious surveys necessarily
originating on monuments differing from those that currently control the area."


 
Posted : December 21, 2021 3:42 pm

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"without devious surveys" I learned something new. I never knew devious could be used in this way. We have to go to the inlaws for Christmas but I'm going to take a devious route so I don't have to be there as long.


 
Posted : December 21, 2021 4:18 pm
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Obviously you're talking about somewhere in the LA Basin since those are the problem cities.?ÿ Yes, the licensed land surveyor in responsible charge of the surveying work is required to satisfy 8771(b) for pre-construction situations and 8771(c) for post construction situations regardless of what the City tells you (or anyone else for that matter).

My advice to everyone who has contacted me on this is to file the CR with the County as required and give a copy of that filed CR to the City.?ÿ If the City has a problem, have them contact the Board.?ÿ City doesn't have authority to dictate otherwise.

AND when you are told by the City that they are "a Charter City" that doesn't matter either.?ÿ There are no chartered land surveyors in CA and the City doesn't have the authority to practice land surveying.


 
Posted : December 21, 2021 6:55 pm