Ten to lifers in prisons all across the land are taking note.?ÿ
@frozennorth under Idaho law it most certainly is. You don't have to enter the adjoining property to be in trespass, you only need to cross the fence. As this is an ALTA you will need to tie everything along the line both on and off the property. You are required to coordinate entry to railroad property with the local engineer.
the fence is several feet into his subject property from the ROW line
Based on today's measurements, it varies from half a foot inside at one end to 10 feet inside at the other, so there is a bit of a trespass situation.?ÿ I'll try to arrange getting caught at the 10-foot end.?ÿ 🙂
you can hurt yourself crossing and get strike three from your workers comp provider
Workers comp??ÿ That's for employees, it doesn't cover sole proprietors.?ÿ In fact, in a month I'm dropping my WC coverage, as I haven't had employees for 6 years.?ÿ I kept it going because I had some contracts that required it, but I've been able to negotiate that away now that I'm solo.
I think I would have simply looked for a gate or some other easy way into the railroad ROW
Believe me, I looked.?ÿ The only way to do that would require an egregious -- and highly visible -- trespass that likely would result in ejection and all the headaches that come with it.?ÿ It would also entail a long walking detour out of view of my robot.?ÿ Did I mention that this parcel is the site of a cannabis dispensary??ÿ You know, one of those stores sporting by a stream of customers that ranges from middle-class soccer moms to some *very* sketchy-looking young men.?ÿ There's 24/7 security onsite, but they're watching the store, not my instrument.?ÿ
I'm going for the stealth approach, hugging the ROW vegetation where I'm unlikely to be spotted.
With regard to the customer base, today was actually pretty quiet.?ÿ On Friday it was busy all day, I guess folks gearing up for the weekend.?ÿ An employee of the towing company that's next door regaled me with tales of the various "incidents" that he's witnessed, including a guy in an Escalade who parked in a handicap slot.?ÿ When the security guard told him he couldn't park there the guy pulled out a machine pistol and threatened to spray the place.?ÿ And while we were talking an apparently impaired customer backed her car into one of the vehicles awaiting repairs.?ÿ It was quite the zoo.
I'll try to arrange getting caught at the 10-foot end.?ÿ
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People behind us had a party Saturday night, they were smoking joints. Gawd that stuff stinks, my whole backyard smells like an outhouse.
I??m not a fan.
You are required to coordinate entry to railroad property with the local engineer.
"Coordinate" around here means $600 a day for a RR minder (maybe more now, it's been years since I've used one), scheduled weeks in advance.?ÿ I understand the rationale, but it's not a very practical solution to a very minor trespass situation.
Fortunately, there are no RR installations within 5 feet of the ROW line, so my only trespass is where the ROW gets close to the fence.?ÿ (It's not a RR-built fence, it was built by the parcel owner.?ÿ There is no ROW fence in this area.)?ÿ I did locate some telegraph poles and the rails via reflectorless from the client's side of the fence, and I'll show those on the map.
Probably unpopular opinion, but since we've already thrown Jim in jail for trespass and one or two other low level offenses, I'll admit that I've cut fence and zip tied it back together. This isn't even ROW fencing. Coordinating will take longer than necessary and is ultimately a hassle for something that shouldn't be.
I usually look for a corner and then just climb the fence.?ÿ If no corner, then look for a really solid part and climb.?ÿ Also need to be wearing soft toe boots, won't be able to dig into the chain with cumbersome wide composites
Not a climber.?ÿ If the soil allows, dig under.?ÿ If not, track down permission to enter normally.
As far as barbed wire is concerned (and electric fences for that matter) a 3ft. length of pipe lagging - the lightweight expanded stuff?ÿ - is ideal. No weight, it's slotted to go over the pipe (or wire!) and thick enough so no spikes get you.
@chris-mills had to look that up. ?ÿGood tip.
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I guess I've gone soft but its been years since I would even consider climbing a fence of any height more than I could vault. I'd do all my work on one side and then the other.?ÿ
I had an old boss who made a "climber" for chain link fences. It had two metal hooks that you hung on the horizontal cross bar there were leather straps hanging with old stirrups on the ends, he had them staggered, one about thigh level and the other above the waist...grab the top of the fence and use the stirrups as steps.
It was light weight and you could easily unhook it and move it to the other side of the fence when you needed to get back over.
"Coordinate" around here means $600 a day for a RR minder (maybe more now, it's been years since I've used one), scheduled weeks in advance.?ÿ
Around here add a 1/2 day "class" which you're charged for.?ÿ It includes such tidbits as hardhat/proper boots/orange vest required,?ÿ what the semaphores mean, the RR minder's flag and sound signal scheme, "never ever step on a rail, step over it" blah-blah.?ÿ You do get a cool sticker for your hardhat which requires an annual renewal.
Once stickered you can get a RR minder (called "flagmen" around here) on notice as short as 24 hours for a premium fee.
