Y'all have heard of the Dust Bowl from the 1930 time frame.?ÿ Sometimes that blowing dirt would develop into dunes fifteen or more feet above what had been the terrain level prior.?ÿ I've heard of surveyors in Western Kansas getting a backhoe to dig holes deep enough to allow them to search for stones or other known monuments that were documented prior to the creation of the dune.
@jitterboogie so true. I got fired on a job once by my crew chief. And re hired by him same day. Land owner came out and said yall find that corner. ?ÿBy chief said no sir. He said its right there give me a minute I will come show you. He came out with a 25ft tape measred from his brick mailbox and back of curb. ?ÿSaid its right there just deep. My crew chief ran mag locator over nothing. He smiled and told me let??s go. That man looked at me and said son its there. I looked close he had a transit tie clasp. I said you are a surveyor. He smiled and said yes and the client. He owned this huge acreage and turned it into a golf course and subdivision. This corner was an original for primary piece. My crew chief had walked off hollering at me. I went to the truck and grabbed a paint can and marked the spot. Grabbed the deeds and started reeding them aske the surveyor what his name was he told me walked over and said here is what you want to read. I read and ran down told crew chief we needed to look more . He said you been here two weeks your fired. I said ok. Went back to truck grabbed shovel and dug. And dug and dug. At about 3ft down crew chief comes back grabs mag locator shines in hole and she was sounding off. He said keep digging. I got down a few more tenths and there was flagging and the axel. He said your hired and I apologize. He said how did you know the owner was not crazy. I said did you notice his tape was in tenths not inches and his tie clasp was a survey transit. He said nope. He bought my lunch that day. I was promoted to crew chief a couple weeks later. Not just because of that but a few other things proved my worth.
"deed staked" must mean something other than what I'm thinking.?ÿ
Deed Staking is simply taking the clients deed and putting it on the ground.
Boundary Surveying is evaluating the clients deed together with all the adjoiners deeds, the various chains of title (if necessary), the occupation, and the existing monuments, both controlling and not, resolving the inevitable conflicts in accordance with local laws and practices, and only then monumenting the clients actual defensible boundaries. And then documenting the findings, typically with a properly detailed and annotated map.
@olemanriver The deepest I remember digging was 8 ft. The widest 10 x 30. Found stone in both of them.
What makes this story such a chuckle to me is it involved a former employer and their offices. I'd only worked a summer for them before I was even a PC. I'm in the heart of downtown retracing an old 1950's survey that had evolved into some high priced real estate, including the offices of my former employer. Their neighbor was a Walgreens. I'd recovered a couple of old iron pipes that fit the original plat really well and I was out in the parking lot of my former employer where I was looking for the corner that 'should' have been their common corner with them and Walgreens, but the newly constructed fence between them and Walgreens went to another monuments 20' away, throwing a big wang in the line and throwing the line off by several degrees. I'm out in the parking lot with my schonstedt and at least three guys from the office come running out asking what I was doing and I explained I was looking for this corner. Well they promptly hustled me over to the corner the fence went to, that I'd concluded was 20' from where it should be. Told them, 'humor me guys' and staked out for that long lost corner, swung the schonstedt over the spot and she sang like a fat lady. Those guys are grumbling, 'that's not it!', so I dug down a foot and there was a perfect 2" iron pipe, just like the other two I'd found, within .2' of my calc. Those rascals were using 20' of Walgreens property, but since Walgreen built the fence, I let it go. But got to tell you, the whole thing did put a bounce in my step that day. Did they know? Not for me to speculate.
@norm My old boss in Colorado he was also licensed in Nebraska I believe. He told me stories of bringing out excavators to easily start scraping the dirt in spots and going down to find where post had been burned several feet under the ground for section corner and such. I never dug more than a few feet. But i have stabbed prodded scraped larger areas looking. ?ÿI enjoyed moving to colorado from TN and reading the glo notes and the diaries legers of the crews daily logs on a large project i was on. Around c470 e470 i read those every night and onbthe way and as we did fast static looking for corners inbthose townships and ranges. Geezers if i never would have left i would still be surveying out that way. Nothing like finding a stone.
Where I work, there are lakefront lots that have a wide variance of quality of original surveys.?ÿ It is not completely unusual for the platted corners to fall within the edge of a driveway (sometimes known to all parties and sometimes a surprise).?ÿ Sometimes this can be very well confirmed because the original monument is still under some gravel, or even on the other side of the driveway by a good distance, and sometimes it is based on the math of the plat that checks with adjacent monuments.?ÿ I just recently surveyed a lot and had to re-set a corner because the neighbor was running gravel across an angle in the lines (and I had recently surveyed for that neighbor, so they knew what they were doing).?ÿ They knew the gravel was over and were trying to get in contact with their neighbor to do a land swap to make their driveway easier to build, but in the meantime they were just trucking forward.?ÿ Even after I surveyed and marked the corner again, they went ahead and paved over the gravel they had put down.
In those cases and in the driveway in this post, I would determine the location and put something subtle and temporary (i.e. 20d nail) in place just to be able to meet and show it to BOTH parties (either together or individually) to discuss just in case I have missed some piece of evidence that should have been taken into consideration.?ÿ If my determination is going to cause disruption, I can't recall ever having an issue with people when we discussed before I set anything permanent.
If this is the MI case, another thing I would do if I was the later surveyor was contact the earlier surveyor who put the monument in the drive to find out if there was something he/she knew that I missed before monumenting 12 feet over. That would give me the opportunity to see if I missed some evidence and give the other surveyor the opportunity to re-evaluate their determination.
If it were in Michigan,
I feel that Michigan is somewhere near where this survey occurred!
My feelings could be wrong.
Nate
I've dug a hole a little over 5 feet deep but it was for a 60 inch pipe invert and not a monument. ???? Haven't had to go past maybe 18 inches for a monument so far.
We've dug very carefully through 24 to 30 inches of pavement and base too many times to reach monuments that were simply paved over in the 1950-1960 era.
If this is the MI case
Not to beat a dead horse or anything but...
Does the note below belong on a survey or is it a legal opinion?
Is this the best reason not to set marks in the drive??ÿ
If it a reason is selling the key or recording the deed??ÿ
Does subsequent selling after the original conveyance using the same description as the first deed recorded have anything to do with locating the boundary??ÿ
What if parcel 2 deed was recorded before parcel 6? Does that make the note false??ÿ
I know - it depends.
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If this is the MI case
Not to beat a dead horse or anything but...
Does the note below belong on a survey or is it a legal opinion?
Is this the best reason not to set marks in the drive??ÿ
If it a reason is selling the key or recording the deed??ÿ
Does subsequent selling after the original conveyance using the same description as the first deed recorded have anything to do with locating the boundary??ÿ
What if parcel 2 deed was recorded before parcel 6? Does that make the note false??ÿ
I know - it depends.
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A note explaining why is acceptable but in the particular case I disagree with the note given what is known. Senior rights apply where there is a conflict and overlap but in this case there is not an overlap. The descriptions provided indicate Parcel 6 gets the shortage. Naturally more information could change my opinion.
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Here's another twist if junior / senior deeds are in play. A deeds out parcel 2 first, then A deeds parcel 6. Was parcel 2 created by the deed??ÿ However, Parcel 2 never sells for some reason, and it stays with A who sells it years later using the identical description. Does that change 6 to senior or does it stay with 2? Does any of this have anything to do with the location of the boundary??ÿ
Here's another twist if junior / senior deeds are in play. A deeds out parcel 2 first, then A deeds parcel 6. Was parcel 2 created by the deed??ÿ However, Parcel 2 never sells for some reason, and it stays with A who sells it years later using the identical description. Does that change 6 to senior or does it stay with 2? Does any of this have anything to do with the location of the boundary??ÿ
Part I:
If A Deeds to B the southwest quarter of the southwest quarter except the west 990 feet, B may think he receives 330 feet but it is not the case. Then years later A deeds the west 990 feet to C, C receives 990 feet because A still owned it. B??s senior position does not aid him in this case.
Part II:
The wrinkle happens were A and B measure over 330 feet from the east and B possesses the 330 feet thus signifying the mutual interpretation of the words of the deed. In that case the conduct of the owners will override the precise wording of the descriptions. Although C receives 990 feet per the description A already agreed with B where on the ground the 990 foot line is located and C is bound by that.
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Does the note below belong on a survey or is it a legal opinion?
I have no problem with the note offering a legal opinion. Every boundary survey is a legal opinion of sorts.?ÿ Nevertheless, I am disappointed by the murkiness of the language used. I would like to see actual deed references and specific dates quoted.?ÿ
Parcel 6 was created by Deed Document No. xxxx-xxxxxx, recorded MM DD, YYYY, out of the holdings of Farmer John Brown, who acquired title to the parent property by Deed Document No. yyyy-yyyyyy, recorded MM DD, YYYY. Subsequently, Parcel 2 was created when said Farmer Brown sold a portion of his remaining holdings by Deed Document No. zzzz-zzzzzz, recorded MM DD, YYYY.?ÿ ....?ÿ ?ÿ ?ÿ?ÿ
