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jhframe
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An architect client asked for a proposal to do an ALTA/topo survey on a couple of commercial parcels.?ÿ His client balked at the fee, so the architect signed my contract after adding the following note:?ÿ "Omit boundary survey.?ÿ Set corners only."

Oy vey!


 
Posted : May 12, 2021 4:42 pm
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Posted by: @jim-frame

so the architect signed my contract after adding the following note

Add the following note:

I'm sorry, I'm not going to be able to help you


 
Posted : May 12, 2021 4:53 pm
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No, seriously. Is doing an ALTA without setting monuments, and therefore also filing an R.O.S., a thing you can do in California?


 
Posted : May 12, 2021 4:56 pm
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Now that's funny.


 
Posted : May 12, 2021 5:00 pm
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@dougie

In Calligraphy Olde English Font too I hope!


 
Posted : May 12, 2021 5:29 pm

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I didn't know I could set corners and not do a boundary........

I learn something new every day here.?ÿ


 
Posted : May 12, 2021 5:42 pm
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Every thing is virtual these days.?ÿ Call them virtual corners.


 
Posted : May 12, 2021 6:19 pm
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Posted by: @norman-oklahoma

No, seriously. Is doing an ALTA without setting monuments, and therefore also filing an R.O.S., a thing you can do in California?

Yes, no problem, as long as all the monuments are extant and of record.?ÿ Most big commercial sites are well monumented so the ROS is not required but the big boys will pay for an ROS (trivial extra fee) just to transfer liability to your ass.?ÿ?ÿ


 
Posted : May 12, 2021 6:28 pm
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Shows he does not know what an ALTA survey is (which is not unusual), but it also shows he does not know what a Boundary Survey is or what you have to do to prepare one.?ÿ


 
Posted : May 12, 2021 6:36 pm
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The Architect's own drawings probably say: "All details omitted for clarity".


 
Posted : May 12, 2021 6:41 pm

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@richard-imrie:?ÿ You can bet that every questionable item will be labeled "Verify In Field" so someone else can be blamed for his/her incompetence.


 
Posted : May 12, 2021 6:48 pm
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@mightymoe

I couldn't tell if he meant to set missing corners or only show corners that had been set previously (aka found).?ÿ Either way, that's some real sorcery.


 
Posted : May 12, 2021 7:10 pm
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Posted by: @norman-oklahoma

Is doing an ALTA without setting monuments, and therefore also filing an R.O.S., a thing you can do in California?

Yes.

First, doing an ALTA doesn't necessarily require filing a ROS.?ÿ Even if you set corner monuments, as long as none of the statutory criteria requiring a ROS are encountered, you can satisfy the law with a Corner Record, a much simpler (and *way* less expensive) document to prepare and file.

Second, California statutes require only that sufficient monumentation be shown to allow the boundary to be faithfully retraced.?ÿ For example, if you're surveying a lot in a subdivision block and you base the boundary on found centerline monuments, you don't have to mark the lot corners.?ÿ (Most clients will want you to, though.)


 
Posted : May 12, 2021 7:55 pm
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Posted by: @bstrand

I couldn't tell if he meant to set missing corners or only show corners that had been set previously (aka found).

His client requires corner monuments be set.?ÿ They just don't want to pay for that.


 
Posted : May 12, 2021 7:57 pm
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@bstrand

and even skullduggery too!


 
Posted : May 12, 2021 9:43 pm