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carl-b-correll
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A surveying and engineering company that did tons of work in my area up into the 1960's did this subdivision in Roanoke County. Does anybody see the problem?

If not, I'll spell it out for you...

Yeah... I don't think that is a 4° deflection in the lot angle in the center... The upper one is a little closer to correct, but not much. There are several as much as 6° off of record. I'm going to calculate what I think is the most reasonable solution and then start looking in the field. I only think that they set a few "hard points" or controlling monuments (pipes at some P.C.'s and such. NOT at every lot corner). Centerline monuments are not customary around here, so I don't expect to find anything...

It's always something interesting... And this is just for a fence... Should lots of "FUN". 😛


 
Posted : June 22, 2011 9:09 am
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Maybe his chain was too close to the compass when he took his bearings.


 
Posted : June 22, 2011 9:15 am
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> Maybe his chain was too close to the compass when he took his bearings.

Haha! Could be. I'm thinking that they held the streets and the backs and "guessed" at the side lots lines. It's quite a mish-mash of buggering.


 
Posted : June 22, 2011 9:18 am
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The map really don't look to scale. The 82' dimension on the left side of Lot 1 looks as long or longer than the 100' dimension of Lot 2. Probably will make more sense when you find a few monuments.

Have a good day!


 
Posted : June 22, 2011 9:28 am
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run mapchecks on the lots; see if the original parcels close w/ record data


 
Posted : June 22, 2011 9:48 am

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> run mapchecks on the lots; see if the original parcels close w/ record data

Doing that. They're not too bad. It just struck me as odd/funny/bad drafting from a what is typically a good company. This was done in 1947, so hopefully there are some irons in the ground.


 
Posted : June 22, 2011 9:51 am
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The math from the plat calls seems to work pretty well but doesn't look all that good with the plat. That deflection makes the side lot lines more or less perpendicular to the ROW line. I established that by running in what I could read down to the the PI of the left-hand corner lot and doing distance intersections from there to create the two front corners of the left-hand street ROW.
FWIW


 
Posted : June 22, 2011 10:51 am
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> The math from the plat calls seems to work pretty well but doesn't look all that good with the plat. That deflection makes the side lot lines more or less perpendicular to the ROW line. I established that by running in what I could read down to the the PI of the left-hand corner lot and doing distance intersections from there to create the two front corners of the left-hand street ROW.
> FWIW

It's not as bad in this area of the plat, the curves and such work pretty well, the line is just not straight. There are other parts of the plat that if the side line bearings were used, could make the lots misclose 4' to 5'. I think there are quite a few drafting errors (wrong numbers, especially in the degrees part) in the middle of the block.


 
Posted : June 22, 2011 10:57 am
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Sarcasim on (not to you)

What's the problem ? Use the fences, write a new legal, measure up the house and cloth tape it to the fences. In and out in 30 minutes.

Sarcasim off


 
Posted : June 22, 2011 12:45 pm
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> Sarcasim on (not to you)
>
> What's the problem ? Use the fences, write a new legal, measure up the house and cloth tape it to the fences. In and out in 30 minutes.
>
> Sarcasm off

:good: 😉


 
Posted : June 22, 2011 12:49 pm

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Did you find a 4 degree break in the line? Or have you not done the field work yet?


 
Posted : June 22, 2011 12:52 pm
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> Did you find a 4 degree break in the line? Or have you not done the field work yet?
Not yet. Probably next week. I may not even have to get down in that part of the plat, I'm on Lot 19 (5 lots up). I couldn't get my adjoining lots to close, so I went ahead and did the whole block to see what was going on and that grabbed my attention.


 
Posted : June 22, 2011 1:11 pm
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I've worked in a subdivision very similar to that. The original surveyor died many years ago. Nothing closes. Lots, blocks or the outer boundary of the entire subdivision. Nothing.


 
Posted : June 22, 2011 9:04 pm