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@mathteacher?ÿ

Lot 16 certainly has a narrow frontage.


 
Posted : August 12, 2021 2:48 pm
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@holy-cow?ÿ

Someone at work commented that CAD ended the predominance of straight streets.


 
Posted : August 12, 2021 2:53 pm
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@james-fleming?ÿ

Interesting article. The article talks about non-uniform lot shapes. Speaking of lot shapes, I once saw a plat from California with lots called Z lots. The lots are uniform, but the adjoining lot lines zigzag. Was this done to fit more lots into a given area?


 
Posted : August 12, 2021 3:11 pm
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@holy-cow?ÿ

Johnsonville. Peter Street.


 
Posted : August 12, 2021 3:12 pm
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@ric-moore?ÿ

I meant it as cul-de-sac that fits the definition as used by surveyors.


 
Posted : August 12, 2021 3:15 pm

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Posted by: @field-dog

I wouldn't have wanted to calculate all the curves you see nowadays without electronics. And those curves I've seen on old plats have often been messed up, fitting neither arc nor chord definitions.


 
Posted : August 12, 2021 3:18 pm
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@field-dog Instead of privacy the bump out/cul-de-sac was likely designed to create extra frontage to the roadway for those lots. Lots 15 and 16 wouldn't have much, if any, frontage were they to connect to the smooth curve of the road.


 
Posted : August 12, 2021 3:43 pm
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@field-dog?ÿ

It is small, but I don't like through streets that can become crowded shortcuts. Avoiding that is one of the curb appeals of a cult de sac.

We don't see enough here to know, so I might would change my mind after seeing the full picture.


 
Posted : August 12, 2021 6:17 pm
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@mathteacher?ÿ

Forgive me my friend as I am a sinner, but I can't resist this typo.

"cult de sac"

I'm picturing some aging 1960's hippies who never left the communal lifestyle all decked out in gunny sacks as they graze their goats on the lawns in their cult de sac world. "The love is free, but bring your own Viagra."


 
Posted : August 12, 2021 7:48 pm
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@holy-cow?ÿ

LOL! Actually, a lot of cul-de-sac residents around these parts are a kind of cult. More addicted to toddies and caviar than live goats, but cultish anyway.

As for me, I live in a nondescript circle built in the 60s where everybody is armed to the teeth and passing vehicles are routinely photographed by security cameras, game cameras, and radar guns. No goats, but one of my neighbors raises his own chickens. Our deeds prohibit hog lots, though.

We have a couple of intellectuals, but both of them can shoot quite well.

Thanks for the correction.

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Posted : August 12, 2021 8:01 pm

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@james-fleming?ÿ

Our current NZ planning & land development has moved away from our traditional dead end streets/cul de sacs towards interconnected streets, lanes and walkways.?ÿ More open and interconnected neighbourhoods, with smaller lots.?ÿ

Some projects i've worked on the civil engineering has been difficult keeping all the services within the roadway on twisty narrow roads and lanes.?ÿ More than double the number of inspection chambers at change of directions in sewer and storm water drains.?ÿ The roads fill of service covers (Man Hole lids).


 
Posted : August 12, 2021 8:47 pm
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When our subdivision was developed the ordinance required 5 homes fronting on the cul-de-sac or it was just part of the main street. We have four.

I cannot order a pizza without explaining every nuance of the history. We finally gave up and we just pick up from the local pizzeria...


 
Posted : August 12, 2021 8:49 pm
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The "boob" portion of Lot 14 is an invitation to cause an issue for drivers.?ÿ The set back should be extended in that area to prevent the erection of something blocking visibility for drivers.?ÿ This is especially bad for the owners of Lots 15 and 16 when they want to make a left turn.?ÿ A solid line of hedges or similar flora would be bad.?ÿ The construction of something such as a gazebo in that area would also be bad.


 
Posted : August 13, 2021 8:13 am
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@thebionicman Me to the delivery guy/gal: "You know, back where all the circles are"


 
Posted : August 13, 2021 8:43 am
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@james-fleming?ÿ

Oh, Lord, no!!!?ÿ Not to the double-lane, circle of eternity!!?ÿ The one where Siri keeps saying "Recalculating, stay left, recalculating, stay left"


 
Posted : August 13, 2021 8:47 am

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This type of "bulb" is usually used to achieve minimum lot frontage and/or minimum lot width requirements. Many times the center of the "sac" is a landscaped island, sometimes not but if that is the case, one creates a large impervious surface necessitating unnecessary drainage infrastructure, parking issues, and on a curve like this, awkward driving patterns.?ÿ?ÿ

I've been using circles representing minimum lot width to design subdivisions since the 80's. You just make a bunch of them and adjust the tangent lot lines to achieve minimum lot frontage and area. Its not hard and you don't need CAD, but that certainly helps.?ÿ

My first impression is that while there is a blob at the end of the centerline (?) there is no other indication that the blob is actually the radius point of the curve comprising the frontage of Lots 14 through 17. This while probably true, drives the surveyor to do a much more through analysis of the math involved to confirm that it is in fact the R.P.?ÿ Note that P.T and P.R.C. are labeled else ware.?ÿ I wonder who the heck puts a reverse curve here except for a lazy computer nerd with not experience in the field.?ÿ

There is so much wrong with this image it makes my head hurt.?ÿ?ÿ


 
Posted : August 13, 2021 9:18 am
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