What do you call a "Pass through" cul de sac?

@jkinak

In some states surveyors have not done as good a job educating title companies and attorneys as we have in Alaska, and they still insist on metes and bounds descriptions. Drives me crazy how much time is wasted creating descriptions?ÿ for parcels that have perfectly good plats. Jefferson is rolling over in his grave.?ÿ

Posted by: @jkinak

Why are you required to write a metes and bounds description?

Can't you just refer to a recorded plat or an attached exhibit?

Several local municipalities around here also require a metes and bounds description when preparing additional easements within a recorded plat.?ÿ

Sometimes it's the dumbest thing I've ever seen.?ÿ I prepared several electric easements that involved the rear 15' of a number of lots and 4 or 5 side lot line easements of 10'.?ÿ My initial attempt was something like "the north 15' of Lot Six" or "the east 10' of Lot Seven".?ÿ I thought that tied things down pretty well...nope.

Had to rewrite them all as metes and bounds.?ÿ I'm glad there are lay people out there that can keep us surveyors from screwing up.... 😉

@nate-the-surveyor

As an engineer, yes, I'd wonder what was being described. Were I writing it up for, say a description to the city council, I'd strike out "Turn-a-Round" and just use the word "bulb". Since there doesn't seem to be an official term for this I think you have a lot of leeway in how you describe it. Do you really have to call it anything if you're using Metes and Bounds? When we had subdivisions with these sorts of bulges there was usually a significant change in the road's centerline direction. Thus we always called them "knuckles". I don't think we ever had one where the road passed straight through without changing its bearing.

I have seen and used "Eyebrow" & "Bulb" cul-de-sac.

Can you post a picture because yours sounds like it might be different.

Regardless I would definitely record a survey of it for clarity.?ÿ?ÿ

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@jkinak

I would prefer to supply it, than argue why they don't need it.

15 min. Vs 3 months of phone calls or meetings.

N

@just-a-surveyor

What a great illustration of why the metes and bounds in unnecessary. Of course a "picture" makes it easier to understand than a bunch of words and numbers that were written based on the "picture" itself.

@nate-the-surveyor

Don't let practicalities get in the way of internet forum discussion.

Often these things have returns so that would be harder to describe from the centerline.

@aliquot

Are you being sarcastic?

@nate-the-surveyor

I would say Turning Bay.

since it's a pass through cul de sac, isn't there an "official" description for those,,,,,,,,roundabout.

No not the Yes song. ?ÿ

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As Pilat told the Jews, "what I have written, I have written".

Plat went out the door last week.

So, this one is what it is.

Mr Moe, I think you may be on to something. Round-a-bouts are not real common. But that is probably is an official name. Thanks

Nate

@nate-the-surveyor

I'm not sure if there is a traffic characteristic that triggers the name roundabout, usually they are at intersections to avoid installing signals. So maybe there is another name for yours, I've seen a couple of them at the end of a subdivision, an easement extended past the cul de sac to access undeveloped lands at a later date.

I do know of one that actually got built, the others just sit there unused. 

@nate-the-surveyor

Close, but no cigar.  At least you didn't label him Pilot, as some do.  Pontius Pilate is your guy.

@nate-the-surveyor

to late now but this guy called them mid-block cul-de-sac. 

http://cremedememph.blogspot.com/2017/06/mid-block-cul-de-sacs.html