StarNet - What does the Distance Column Mean?

When you change an angle, you move your coordinate from the old point to a new point. So how much did you move it?

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It's a new feature added to 8.2 (i think). It's basically the residual angle multiplied by the horizontal distance.
So you could see (for example) that a 60 second residual is not that significant at 10 metres.
Your Std errors for angles look very small by the way, probably you have zero centring error.

Jawja, post: 440228, member: 12766 wrote: When you change an angle, you move your coordinate from the old point to a new point. So how much did you move it?

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Jawja

Thank you for your response, based on your statement would you agree with the following sketch:-

I guess I am trying to visualise what the Distance values mean - would you say that I have illustrated your statement correctly?

In today's surveying world there is almost never a project that remains as a 2D network.

Paul in PA

squowse, post: 440231, member: 7109 wrote: It's a new feature added to 8.2 (i think). It's basically the residual angle multiplied by the horizontal distance.
So you could see (for example) that a 60 second residual is not that significant at 10 metres.
Your Std errors for angles look very small by the way, probably you have zero centring error.

Squowse thank you for your response.

I understand what you are saying however I am struggling to calculate the distance values.

Using my example below:-

At STN1, From STN3, To STN2 I get an adjusted angle of 69-20-05.55 with a residual of 0-00-00.55 and a Distance value of 0.000019.

From the screen shot info can you explain how the Distance value of 0.000019 is worked out - it is driving me nuts?

Thanks

7 meters times 0.55 seconds times 0.000 00485 equals 0.000 019 meters.

Or

Distance times angular residual times tangent of 1 foot per one second.

Scott Zelenak, post: 440317, member: 327 wrote: 7 meters times 0.55 seconds times 0.000 00485 equals 0.000 019 meters.

Or

Distance times angular residual times tangent of 1 foot per one second.

So, in English, could you say it is:
"The distance between the unadjusted and the adjusted locations of the point, due only to the adjustment of the angle"?
As Squowse points out, and angle adjustment's impact increases with the distance between the stations.

Scott Zelenak, post: 440317, member: 327 wrote: 7 meters times 0.55 seconds times 0.000 00485 equals 0.000 019 meters.

Or

Distance times angular residual times tangent of 1 foot per one second.

Thank you Scott.

I just wanted to ask when you multiply by Distance (in this case 7meters) is that the Unadjusted distance or the Adjusted Distance.

And where does the 0.000 00485 come from? is it the tan(1foot/1sec) like you stated?, I mention this because I am struggling to get 0.000 00485?

1 arc second equals 4.848 X 10^ -6 radians.

or 7.204775 x tan (0?ø0'0.55") = 0.000019

i am pretty sure that the adjusted distance is used, but I don;t think it's possible that it could make any difference without 6 significant places.

it's slightly more complicated because the residual angle error is for the observation "from" 3 "to" 2 so the residual error could be at 3 or 2 or both. The program seems to assume that the error is at the "to" station.

squowse, post: 440424, member: 7109 wrote: or 7.204775 x tan (0?ø0'0.55") = 0.000019

i am pretty sure that the adjusted distance is used, but I don;t think it's possible that it could make any difference without 6 significant places.

it's slightly more complicated because the residual angle error is for the observation "from" 3 "to" 2 so the residual error could be at 3 or 2 or both. The program seems to assume that the error is at the "to" station.

Thanks https://surveyorconnect.com/community/members/squowse.7109/&apos ;">squowse

Scott Zelenak, post: 440339, member: 327 wrote: 1 arc second equals 4.848 X 10^ -6 radians.

Once again thank you for your help.

By the way, learning Star*net 2D adjustments is a great way to start learning what the program does and how it does it. Keep us posted on how it goes. BTW, using in-line commands, there's a way to mix 2D and 3D data. They're also good for trouble shooting when you believe some 3D data (like measure ups), are mucking up your adjustment.:)